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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 17:38 Why is Oleksandr Usyk facing a guy like Andrey Fedosov, an opponent with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws)?

I'm not sure if this fight is legit or not. It doesn't seem to be an appropriate bout for Usyk's heavyweight debut.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 17:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 17:38 Why is Oleksandr Usyk facing a guy like Andrey Fedosov, an opponent with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws)?

I'm not sure if this fight is legit or not. It doesn't seem to be an appropriate bout for Usyk's heavyweight debut.

I agree, disappointing, who would you recommend

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 17:53

I agree, disappointing, who would you recommend

Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Jarrell Miller, Adam Kownacki, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, David Price etc.

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:18

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:12
Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Jarrell Miller, Adam Kownacki, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, David Price etc.

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:26

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:18

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Whilst I understand the preferred narrative is that Oleksandr Usyk’s matchmaking is utterly flawless, in that the Ukraine always faces the very best available opposition, it would be deeply-flawed for any moderately intelligent individual to dishonestly claim that there isn’t anyone else better for him to face other than Andrey Fedosov.

There’s no point in you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Whyte and Miller are free to fight. Pulev isn’t receiving a title-shot anytime soon (as per the IBF’s recent judgement), Parker and Chisora hasn’t been scheduled yet (it might not even happen), there’s no evidence to suggest that Rivas wont face another member of the Matchroom stable anytime soon, PBC fighters have regularly faced Eddie Hearn’s guys (in fact Matchroom actually promotes several Haymon fighters) and Price has a better resume than Fedosov.

I could do this all day, so I do look forward to your counter-argument, which seems to support the bizarre notion about Andrey Fedosov being a world-beater! FFS!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:26

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:18

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Whilst I understand the preferred narrative is that Oleksandr Usyk’s matchmaking is utterly flawless, in that the Ukraine always faces the very best available opposition, it would be deeply-flawed for any moderately intelligent individual to dishonestly claim that there isn’t anyone else better for him to face other than Andrey Fedosov.

There’s no point in you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Whyte and Miller are free to fight. Pulev isn’t receiving a title-shot anytime soon (as per the IBF’s recent judgement), Parker and Chisora hasn’t been scheduled yet (it might not even happen), there’s no evidence to suggest that Rivas wont face another member of the Matchroom stable anytime soon, PBC fighters have regularly faced Eddie Hearn’s guys (in fact Matchroom actually promotes several Haymon fighters) and Price has a better resume than Fedosov.

I could do this all day, so I do look forward to your counter-argument, which seems to support the bizarre notion about Andrey Fedosov being a world-beater! FFS!

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:51Fedosov is a gatekeeper.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:59

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:51Fedosov is a gatekeeper.

OK, so here's the definition of the term "gatekeeper":

"A gatekeeper is a skillful and well-regarded fighter, but one who does not have the popularity or brilliance of a title contender.They are considered to be a cut above most journeymen. A gatekeeper will often have an impressive record in terms of wins versus losses but will have a difficult time getting people behind them and especially obtaining promotion."

So how does this apply to Fedosov, a Russian who openly admitted to ducking Deontay Wilder?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:54For your 1st fight in a new weight class, coming off an injury, when you're not a World Champion of any sort, you don't know owe anybody anything as far as who you fight.

Fedosov is a reasonably good opponent. No world beater obviously, but it's just the first step in the weight class. His next opponent after Fedosov will undoubtedly be of higher stock.

Give the guy a break. He likely is fighting for a World Title or at least a major contender within 3 to 4 fights in the division. Which will take no more than a year and a half at worst.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 19:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:59
OK, so here's the definition of the term "gatekeeper":

"A gatekeeper is a skillful and well-regarded fighter, but one who does not have the popularity or brilliance of a title contender.They are considered to be a cut above most journeymen. A gatekeeper will often have an impressive record in terms of wins versus losses but will have a difficult time getting people behind them and especially obtaining promotion."

So how does this apply to Fedosov, a Russian who openly admitted to ducking Deontay Wilder?

I'd say it applies to Fedosov pretty much spot on.

He has a lot more wins vs losses. He is a cut above "most" journeymen. He has a difficult time getting people behind him and obtaining promotion.

He literally checks almost every box there, except for perhaps skillful and well-regarded. That being said, I wouldn't think he's any worse than say David Allen or someone like that.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 19:10 I asked who you'd recommend, I wasn't the guy saying they weren't available though

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 19:15

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 19:10 I asked who you'd recommend, I wasn't the guy saying they weren't available though

Apologies, you’re absolutely correct!

You did ask who I’d prefer Usyk to face and I promptly answered your question and then someone else dishonestly claimed the names I’d listed were unavailable.

I apologise if I’ve accidently misrepresented the thoughts you’d conveyed in one of your posts.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 18:04 I'm giving Usyk a pass.
1, long layoff
2, moving up
3, recovering from injury

Let him batter Fedosov about and see how his bicep holds up and how he feels at HW, and let him get rounds in and shake off any ring rust. Then judge his second HW opponent

victor-romeo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2019, 20:27 Some opponents Wilder has fought in the last three years :
Brezale, Stiverene, Washington, Szpilka, Gavern.

Some opponents Fury has fought in the last three years or going to fight next:
Wallin, Tom Schwarz, Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi

Fedosov is as good as any of those and this is for Usyk his first fight at heavy weight coming off an injury not bad..