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BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 06:06
by dagilechia
Current ranking:
1.
Tyson Fury -
28(20) 0 1 - next fight:
14.09.2019 vs
Otto Wallin -
20(13) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #46)
2.
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - next fight:
09.11.2019 vs
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - (
#7)
3.
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - (
#4)
4.
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - (
#3)
5.
Dillian Whyte -
26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
6.
Alexander Povetkin -
34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight:
31.08.2019 vs
Hughie Fury -
23(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #21)
7.
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
09.11.2019 vs
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - (
#2)
8.
Kubrat Pulev -
27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
9.
Joseph Parker -
26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
10.
Óscar Rivas -
26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
11.
Adam Kownacki -
20(15) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
12.
Dereck Chisora -
31(22) 9(3) 0 - next fight:
TBA
13.
Filip Hrgović -
9(7) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
14.
Agit Kabayel -
19(13) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
15.
Dominic Breazeale -
20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight:
TBA
Question: How are the rankings affected by
Filip Hrgović's (
#13) KO 3 win over
Mario Heredia (unranked, BoxRec's #49)?
My vote: Hrgović to #12, Heredia remains unranked.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 08:57
by DrDuke
No change, cause Heredia wasn't even near to the top.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 09:33
by tiny_acres
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Aug 2019, 08:57
No change, cause Heredia wasn't even near to the top.
X2
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 09:37
by oogiebe
No change. Unimpressive victory over Heredia. Hrgovic needs a step up fight. Last two wins were meaningless.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 10:06
by margaret thatcher
Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 10:14
by oogiebe
I agree now. He shouldn't.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 10:34
by dagilechia
should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 10:36
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑25 Aug 2019, 10:34
should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?
I think that's more of he shouldn't have been there int he first place. Based solely on this performance, he shouldn't go down in the rankings.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 10:59
by margaret thatcher
dagilechia wrote: ↑25 Aug 2019, 10:34
should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?
I'm still thinking. I would vote him out but I know there is some standard here by where we except their current position. I will probably vote him out in the end though cus I feel that's where he should be.
IMO his opposition doesn't merit a spot and he has looked lacklustre a good few times to me.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 14:30
by Jonny22Kupfer
Hrgović to 11
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 03:32
by morm
Hrgovic to 11
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 03:40
by conan_the_cribber
No change. Stays at 13.
Heredia is garbage, but somehow fluked a win against a shot Sam Peter. This win means absolutely zero.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 05:11
by KiwiRider
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Aug 2019, 09:37
No change. Unimpressive victory over Heredia. Hrgovic needs a step up fight. Last two wins were meaningless.
X2
If it was a dominant display, maybe. Thing is, he would be taking the spot from Chisora- who is on a bit of a roll right now.
Chisora knocked out Takem-only Povitkin can claim that feat.
Flippa hasn't done anything like that yet.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 06:04
by Lennox
What absolute total chaos. So many different opinions, people voting him up, voting him out of the top 15, and no change.
You can see why ratings get in such a mess.
Surely you have to respect his initial rating and decide from there.
You can't vote him out after a win (unless the performance was exceptionally poor) or the decision by the judges was way out.
IMO he should just stay the same as the fight was insignificant.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 07:42
by conan_the_cribber
Lennox wrote: ↑26 Aug 2019, 06:04
What absolute total chaos. So many different opinions, people voting him up, voting him out of the top 15, and no change.
You can see why ratings get in such a mess.
Surely you have to respect his initial rating and decide from there.
You can't vote him out after a win (unless the performance was exceptionally poor) or the decision by the judges was way out.
IMO he should just stay the same as the fight was insignificant.
A bit harsh don't you think.
a) there are no explicit rules to this list apart from "only the last fighters in the last fight can be re-rated"
b) anyone, including people who didn't vote for his initial rating can vote - maybe they have a different opinion.
c) as you state, up, down or out are plausible based on judging his performance.
However, that said, I do agree in principle with what the Association of Boxing Commissions state in their guidelines,
- that a winning boxing cannot go down
- that the only reasons for kicking someone out is inactivity of loss.
- that the only reasons for promoting are wins or activity
But hey, it's just for fun here.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 07:50
by ironbeard
Hrgovic to 14.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 05:06
by Belanio
My vote: Hrgović out, Heredia remains unranked.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 28 Aug 2019, 03:27
by Lackeos
No change
You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 28 Aug 2019, 03:34
by Belanio
Lackeos wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 03:27
No change
You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."
Maybe we just think Hrgovič never belonged in the rankings.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 28 Aug 2019, 05:50
by morm
Lackeos wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 03:27
No change
You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."
Agree, but however with the next fight Hrgovic move into the top 10
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia
Posted: 31 Aug 2019, 09:27
by dagilechia
The voting is over.
Filip Hrgović remains at
#13.
Current ranking:
1.
Tyson Fury -
28(20) 0 1 - next fight:
14.09.2019 vs
Otto Wallin -
20(13) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #46)
2.
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - next fight:
23.11.2019 vs
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - (
#7)
3.
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - (
#4)
4.
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - (
#3)
5.
Dillian Whyte -
26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
6.
Alexander Povetkin -
34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight:
31.08.2019 vs
Hughie Fury -
23(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #22)
7.
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
23.11.2019 vs
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - (
#2)
8.
Kubrat Pulev -
27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
9.
Joseph Parker -
26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight:
26.10.2019 vs
Dereck Chisora -
31(22) 9(3) 0 - (
#12)
10.
Óscar Rivas -
26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
11.
Adam Kownacki -
20(15) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
12.
Dereck Chisora -
31(22) 9(3) 0 - next fight:
26.10.2019 vs
Joseph Parker -
26(20) 2(0) 0 - (
#9)
13.
Filip Hrgović -
9(7) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
14.
Agit Kabayel -
19(13) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
15.
Dominic Breazeale -
20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight:
TBA
Worth of mention fights:
Sergey Kuzmin -
15(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs
Michael Hunter -
17(12) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #36) -
13.09.2019
Oleksandr Usyk -
16(12) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #1 at CW) vs
Tyrone Spong -
13(12) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #69) -
12.10.2019