Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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DrDuke
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Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Who would you pick in a bout of the two great boxers of this weight? And how?
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Andre W12
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Toney is pretty overrated. I actually was overrating him myself. Well, his performance against Barkley was stellar. But he had a bunch of close and disputed decisions. Ward cleaned up the SMW division, when it was filled with good boxers. Ward had enough tools to outwork and to trick Toney.
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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DrDuke wrote: 04 Sep 2019, 18:50 Toney is pretty overrated. I actually was overrating him myself. Well, his performance against Barkley was stellar. But he had a bunch of close and disputed decisions. Ward cleaned up the SMW division, when it was filled with good boxers. Ward had enough tools to outwork and to trick Toney.
Yeah, I hate Andre Ward, and James is one of my all time favorite fighters, but I just can't see James winning this match.
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Ward UD 12 (8-4)
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Very close.
At 168 prime I'd take Toney by decision.
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Ward by close UD.
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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I like Toney by decision.
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Re: Super Middleweights: Andre Ward vs James Toney

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Toney is world class, atg counter puncher

But he was lazy and could be outworked in particular with a left hook

However the only time toney was dominated (until he was old and shot) was against rjj and that was due to foot speed

Ward never fought a great counterpuncher i can recall. Froch, kessler, kovalev are all come forward. Dawson could counter but not at toneys level

I think toney sd
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