Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz II

[diddy]

All this talk of the Fury cut getting the Wilder rematch pushed back. It’s amazing to me that after the life and death war Wilder got from Ortiz that ppl are just overlooking Ortiz like he’s a cab driver. Ortiz had Wilder BEATEN before gassing himself going all out for a KO. Ortiz was clearly winning that fight before emptying his tank to end it. I don’t care what the cards were. Ortiz was winning. He is not to be overlooked whatsoever. Wilder is a -800 favorite. That’s utterly insane.

[Paci]

Agree.

Those judges where payed by Wilder's promotor. Also more money in Wilder then Ortiz. So makes some since when you look at that aspect of the game. And why he was winning on the cards.

The ugly face of boxing showing itself again in this era. Great heavyweight era thou, but still money rules the game.

[Winter king]

Thats why i love wilders attitude. A lot of ex champs would avoid getting a rematch with someone who almost finished them. He truly wants to be considered the best without any doubts. Unlike AJ.

[margaret thatcher]

Kind strange thread to bring AJ up in that regard when his next fight is vs a guy who gave him hell. Not really sure what rematches he was avoiding due to lack of guts.

Wilder will win easier this time

[ewenhay]

Thats why i love wilders attitude. A lot of ex champs would avoid getting a rematch with someone who almost finished them. He truly wants to be considered the best without any doubts. Unlike AJ.

Has the fight actually been announced yet though?

[Winter king]

I just checked it wasnt:(. These threads always confuse me. I swear I seen it semi announced several times on twitter its hard to follow. Its never done until they are in the ring.

[dagilechia]

I just checked it wasnt:(. These threads always confuse me. I swear I seen it semi announced several times on twitter its hard to follow. Its never done until they are in the ring.

Ortiz has some visa/passport issue or something like that, at least that's what i heard.

[stellar]

ortiz lives in maima yet

[danconnollyeire]

Ortiz will be 98 by the time this fight happens

[Finkel]

All this talk of the Fury cut getting the Wilder rematch pushed back. It’s amazing to me that after the life and death war Wilder got from Ortiz that ppl are just overlooking Ortiz like he’s a cab driver. Ortiz had Wilder BEATEN before gassing himself going all out for a KO. Ortiz was clearly winning that fight before emptying his tank to end it. I don’t care what the cards were. Ortiz was winning. He is not to be overlooked whatsoever. Wilder is a -800 favorite. That’s utterly insane.

Well Ortiz, will have to take the same approach, as history tells us, he isn't going to outpoint Wilder

[Onetimeonly]

No venue? I don't think it's happening. Ortiz was 400 pounds last time I saw him.

[Finkel]

No venue? I don't think it's happening. Ortiz was 400 pounds last time I saw him.

Surely it has to happen, after he didn't take up the Joshua fight offer

[Onetimeonly]

No venue? I don't think it's happening. Ortiz was 400 pounds last time I saw him.

Surely it has to happen, after he didn't take up the Joshua fight offer

That wouldn't have anything to do with it.

[Finkel]

Surely it has to happen, after he didn't take up the Joshua fight offer

That wouldn't have anything to do with it.

How so? It seemed a lot of people believed that he didn't take the massive pay day against Joshua because of being lined up to fight his PBC stablemate again (Wilder).

Crazy for Ortiz to turn down that kind of financial opportunity, if the Wilder rematch wasn't expected to be happening

[Onetimeonly]

I'm sure he expected it to happen. My best guess is they realize it's a money losing fight. Some stuff behind the scenes with al and Showtime/fox. Wilder got paid huge for breazeale and I imagine they saw a lot of dollar signs go away when Joshua lost. Nobody here cares about wilder, Josh or fury here, much less Ortiz. If there is no announcement with a venue and ads by next week with Spence/Porter, it ain't going down.

[Finkel]

I'm sure he expected it to happen. My best guess is they realize it's a money losing fight. Some stuff behind the scenes with al and Showtime/fox. Wilder got paid huge for breazeale and I imagine they saw a lot of dollar signs go away when Joshua lost. Nobody here cares about wilder, Josh or fury here, much less Ortiz. If there is no announcement with a venue and ads by next week with Spence/Porter, it ain't going down.

Cheers. Makes sense

[tiny_acres]

I'm sure he expected it to happen. My best guess is they realize it's a money losing fight. Some stuff behind the scenes with al and Showtime/fox. Wilder got paid huge for breazeale and I imagine they saw a lot of dollar signs go away when Joshua lost. Nobody here cares about wilder, Josh or fury here, much less Ortiz. If there is no announcement with a venue and ads by next week with Spence/Porter, it ain't going down.

Even if the Ortiz fight falls through.
Wilder needs a fight this year. No matter who it is. He needs some rounds

[gilgamesh]

No venue? I don't think it's happening. Ortiz was 400 pounds last time I saw him.

Damn where did you see Ortiz carrying around that kinda weight?

[gilgamesh]

All this talk of the Fury cut getting the Wilder rematch pushed back. It’s amazing to me that after the life and death war Wilder got from Ortiz that ppl are just overlooking Ortiz like he’s a cab driver. Ortiz had Wilder BEATEN before gassing himself going all out for a KO. Ortiz was clearly winning that fight before emptying his tank to end it. I don’t care what the cards were. Ortiz was winning. He is not to be overlooked whatsoever. Wilder is a -800 favorite. That’s utterly insane.

I figure the reason why he's such a big underdog is that people believe he took his best shot before, and it didn't work, and since then he's only gotten older and less effective.

That being said -800 odds on Wilder for an opponent of this quality is indeed just stupid.

Aside from arguably Fury if you think he deserved the nod nobody's come closer to beating Wilder than Ortiz did, and certainly nobody has come closer to stopping him.

[Onetimeonly]

No venue? I don't think it's happening. Ortiz was 400 pounds last time I saw him.

Damn where did you see Ortiz carrying around that kinda weight?

In the ring with wilder I think it was after breazeale. I'm exaggerating, but he was fat enough I didn't recognize him.

[diddy]

Strange that both my betting sites both have lines on this fight and Boxrec doesnt have it as official yet. I still think it happens.

[Enlightened-One]

Is this fight cancelled?

Did Luis Ortiz reject a guaranteed opportunity to face Anthony Joshua for no damn reason, other than perhaps he couldn’t have cleared his bloodstream of PED’s at such short notice?

[margaret thatcher]

Is this fight cancelled?

Did Luis Ortiz reject a guaranteed opportunity to face Anthony Joshua for no damn reason, other than perhaps he couldn’t have cleared his bloodstream of PED’s at such short notice?

Wouldn't surprise me, he is a repeat PED test failure after all.