WBSS HW
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tiny_acres
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Re: WBSS HW
I would l9ve to see this. But I'd love more prospects in it
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A heavyweight wbss will be expensive to fund. Can't see the top guys entering this as they make big money already.
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I do think that more money will roll in to the heavyweights and yeah, it feels like it might be the top 5 to 20 guys in it. It is Ok! Good fights can be made. Not knowing who but it will be some good either way. A tournament win is still prestige thou. Maybe not so many belts execpt some weird WBC Diamond-scrap is my money on.
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Or perhaps it ends with a mandatory to fight either AJ or Wilder?Paci wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 11:46 I do think that more money will roll in to the heavyweights and yeah, it feels like it might be the top 5 to 20 guys in it. It is Ok! Good fights can be made. Not knowing who but it will be some good either way. A tournament win is still prestige thou. Maybe not so many belts execpt some weird WBC Diamond-scrap is my money on.
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AJ May need to enter it.KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 14:23Or perhaps it ends with a mandatory to fight either AJ or Wilder?Paci wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 11:46 I do think that more money will roll in to the heavyweights and yeah, it feels like it might be the top 5 to 20 guys in it. It is Ok! Good fights can be made. Not knowing who but it will be some good either way. A tournament win is still prestige thou. Maybe not so many belts execpt some weird WBC Diamond-scrap is my money on.
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Onetimeonly
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Re: WBSS HW
The only feasible scenario to make it worth watching is if they somehow got all the prospects together. Maybe 8 undefeated ones.
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That would be awesome! Or upandcomers either why just hope it will be a good tourneyOnetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 17:14 The only feasible scenario to make it worth watching is if they somehow got all the prospects together. Maybe 8 undefeated ones.
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Let's get a tournament between 4 prospects who are going nowhere (Spong, Fa, Fujimoto, Zhilei Zhang) and 4 tested retreads of comparable abilities (Kauffman, Witherspoon, Ustinov, Carman).
I figure after one round, the semi-finalists will be ranked #45-55. After two rounds, the finalists will be ranked around #30-35. After the finals, the winner will be ranked about #15-20. A decent enough outcome considering that they're currently a bunch of #70-ranked dudes.
I think maybe some fans would be a little intrigued just to see Spong, Fa, Fujimoto, and Zhang get off their asses.
Related: part of the reason I went this route is I think some of the champion match-ups have already been made (Ruiz - Joshua, Wilder - Fury), a lot of top contenders have already had a shot and/or failed a drug test (Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, Whyte, Miller, Parker), some contenders don't need a tournament because they've already earned a title shot (Kownacki), and some contenders don't need a tournament because they're only about one win away from a title shot (Joyce, Hunter, Kabayel). So I think a better-tailored tournament would be one that creates about 1 opportunity for 8 dudes who are collectively only going to get about 0-1 title shots in their entire careers combined.
I figure after one round, the semi-finalists will be ranked #45-55. After two rounds, the finalists will be ranked around #30-35. After the finals, the winner will be ranked about #15-20. A decent enough outcome considering that they're currently a bunch of #70-ranked dudes.
I think maybe some fans would be a little intrigued just to see Spong, Fa, Fujimoto, and Zhang get off their asses.
Related: part of the reason I went this route is I think some of the champion match-ups have already been made (Ruiz - Joshua, Wilder - Fury), a lot of top contenders have already had a shot and/or failed a drug test (Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, Whyte, Miller, Parker), some contenders don't need a tournament because they've already earned a title shot (Kownacki), and some contenders don't need a tournament because they're only about one win away from a title shot (Joyce, Hunter, Kabayel). So I think a better-tailored tournament would be one that creates about 1 opportunity for 8 dudes who are collectively only going to get about 0-1 title shots in their entire careers combined.
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dagilechia
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Re: WBSS HW
WBSS was a great idea that got fućked up by the Sauerlands - the people who fućked up the German boxing as well.
Due to a lot of controversies and financial problems, no decent HWs would like to participate in it. So i am almost sure that there will be no HW WBSS. maybe with some top 30-50 fighters, maybe some top 20 at best.
And the Women's tournament would be a big financial disaster. They would overpay them but nobody would care about and watch it.
Due to a lot of controversies and financial problems, no decent HWs would like to participate in it. So i am almost sure that there will be no HW WBSS. maybe with some top 30-50 fighters, maybe some top 20 at best.
And the Women's tournament would be a big financial disaster. They would overpay them but nobody would care about and watch it.
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If you take out those that the WBSS probably can't afford, the aged vets and those in mandatory positions you've still got a very interesting tournament. You could still have: the unbeaten 2016 Olympic prospects (Yoka, Hrgovic etc.) the undeservedly ranked guys in the alphabet orgs with good records(Fujimoto/Fa etc.), the younger guys looking to make a name for themselves (Dubois/Bakole etc.) and the fringe world level prospects such as Hunter, Kabayel or even after last week's performance, Wallin.
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aaaahhh i can open this site.... maybe some else? https:// ?Paci wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 09:58 https://www.BS.com/world-boxing-super-s ... 20--142678
I don't think that the champs will enter this but! The current crop of HW would make it a good tournament either why.
Hope that they can put things toughter. Fingers crossed.
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dagilechia
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put ''boxing scene'' (with no space in between) in place of ''BS''morm wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 06:00aaaahhh i can open this site.... maybe some else? https:// ?Paci wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 09:58 https://www.BS.com/world-boxing-super-s ... 20--142678
I don't think that the champs will enter this but! The current crop of HW would make it a good tournament either why.
Hope that they can put things toughter. Fingers crossed.
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tnx its workingdagilechia wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 06:04put ''boxing scene'' (with no space in between) in place of ''BS''
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And i like that idea .... sounds great ...
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That was cynical as hell!dagilechia wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 05:35 WBSS was a great idea that got fućked up by the Sauerlands - the people who fućked up the German boxing as well.
Due to a lot of controversies and financial problems, no decent HWs would like to participate in it. So i am almost sure that there will be no HW WBSS. maybe with some top 30-50 fighters, maybe some top 20 at best.
And the Women's tournament would be a big financial disaster. They would overpay them but nobody would care about and watch it.
But, yeah... they had a great first year and well, the second one was pretty Ok. Then again som thing that has come out gives the feeling of some shad over WBSS.
Im just hoping that at least somebody from the top 10 pops in. Good money could be made. But then again boxing is boxing.
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dagilechia
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Re: WBSS HW
If it happens, that's the best possible roster imo:
Oscar Rivas
Christian Hammer
Otto Wallin
Sergey Kuzmin
Evgeny Romanov
Hughie Fury
Ali Eren Demirezen
Carlos Takam
Huck, Bakole, Schwarz, Różański, Gorman, Dinu i think that are other possible participants.
They won't get the top names.
Oscar Rivas
Christian Hammer
Otto Wallin
Sergey Kuzmin
Evgeny Romanov
Hughie Fury
Ali Eren Demirezen
Carlos Takam
Huck, Bakole, Schwarz, Różański, Gorman, Dinu i think that are other possible participants.
They won't get the top names.
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I think Ajagba and Dubois would be game.dagilechia wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 07:04 If it happens, that's the best possible roster imo:
Oscar Rivas
Christian Hammer
Otto Wallin
Sergey Kuzmin
Evgeny Romanov
Hughie Fury
Ali Eren Demirezen
Carlos Takam
Huck, Bakole, Schwarz, Różański, Gorman, Dinu i think that are other possible participants.
They won't get the top names.
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jujigatame
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Re: WBSS HW
Nice idea but the WBSS has geared itself more towards divisions without a clear #1 but with a wealth of talented (but semi-obscure) fighters. HW doesn't fit the bill at all.
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tiny_acres
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Re: WBSS HW
So do you think there is a clear #1 in heavyweight?jujigatame wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 12:14 Nice idea but the WBSS has geared itself more towards divisions without a clear #1 but with a wealth of talented (but semi-obscure) fighters. HW doesn't fit the bill at all.
Or do you not consider the top 8 as having talent
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jujigatame
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Well HW fighters tend to not be extremely visible (as opposed to obscure) and demand very large purses, which I don't think WBSS could provide. Ruiz, Joshua, Fury, Wilder, even Povetkin and Whyte are all pretty big names.
A HW WBSS would be great but the odds of it happening are nil.
A HW WBSS would be great but the odds of it happening are nil.
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tiny_acres
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I definitely do not think they could get the names you mentioned.jujigatame wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 15:04 Well HW fighters tend to not be extremely visible (as opposed to obscure) and demand very large purses, which I don't think WBSS could provide. Ruiz, Joshua, Fury, Wilder, even Povetkin and Whyte are all pretty big names.
A HW WBSS would be great but the odds of it happening are nil.
But I'd still think it could be interesting with prospects
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Pretty solid. Although, you could have a younger roster by swapping Takam with Simon Kean. Imagine how old and shopworn Takam would be at the conclusion of a 3-round tournament.dagilechia wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 07:04 If it happens, that's the best possible roster imo:
Oscar Rivas
Christian Hammer
Otto Wallin
Sergey Kuzmin
Evgeny Romanov
Hughie Fury
Ali Eren Demirezen
Carlos Takam
Huck, Bakole, Schwarz, Różański, Gorman, Dinu i think that are other possible participants.
They won't get the top names.
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You could also have a low-tier second chance tournament for prospects who recently lost. Schwarz, Gorman, Kean, Demirezen, Kuzmin, Dinu, Ilunga, and Teslenko. I've skipped Wallin, because I think he's way too good for this field.