Jean Pascal and Chad Dawson-HOF worthy ?

[goose 5]

Can we expect Dawson and Pascal to someday be inducted into the IBHOF ?

[Onetimeonly]

I doubt it, either one is worthy though. Especially Dawson, he had a pretty sick run.

[Cyclops]

It's easy to forget how good Chad Dawson was in his prime. He was unlucky in the Pascal fight and deserved a rematch, and he handled Hopkins in pretty impressive fashion after he finally pinned him down in the rematch. Hopkins was frightened of Dawson and I'll never believe he couldn't have carried on in the first fight. Dawson also scalped Adamek who people forget was a good fighter at Light Heavy and Cruiser, and Johnson and Tarver still proved themselves useful long after they lost to him, even though at the time I vaguely recall him catching flak for facing older fighters.

Draining himself for Ward was the dumbest thing he ever did- he was a big lad- and he was never the same after that. One of the many reasons I disliked Ward and Ward fans: "hey it was Dawson himself that offered to drop down a weight!" So what? He handicapped himself horribly and you think Ward should still get full credit for stopping a skeleton just because he did it voluntarily? At least Loma said he didn't really count Rigo because of the weight difference.

Calzaghe should have fought Dawson, too.

I don't think either deserves to be in, but you can't accuse either of ducking anybody and certainly both made quite the effort. Well, Dawson did up until he got spangled by Ward and cabbaged by Adonis Stevenson back to back and then he lost all ambition.

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't be against Pascal going in. He's had a tremendously entertaining career, and has fought most everybody at 175. Dawson had an excellent run, but ultimately it was too short to be Hall of Fame worthy. As it seemed to drop off a cliff all at once, and he was never able to get back to the top.

His career reminds me a lot of Jermain Taylor's really, who also similarly seemed to drop off a cliff after an excellent run, and several noteworthy victories.

[Onetimeonly]

He's miles more accomplished than Taylor. For one, he actually beat Hopkins. He was a dominant champion for 3 or 4 years, got it back again before "falling off the Cliff' Not the best analogy. Though Chad definitely had an abrupt fall from grace, his peak was much longer than you're giving him credit for.

[margaret thatcher]

They are both underrated fighters, Pascal for some reason doesn't seem to get much credit for his wins, with them being treated as flukey, while Dawson had too much credit taken away for some of his losses. People forget the impressive wins he put together and just remember the sad Chad phase

[Onetimeonly]

Yup, his run was better than kovalevs.

[Cent0089]

I think Pascal just edged it with recent fights with Jack and Browne. Dismantling prospect Elbiali is also okay. Or maybe one more solid win? Dawson is not HOFamer for me, sorry

[Enlightened-One]

Neither Dawson nor Pascal are Hall-of-Fame worthy. They might somehow be included in the IBHoF voting poll, but I doubt that either will ever be inducted.

In terms of overall career longevity (as in ability to compete at world level), Pascal might be more worthy of being inducted into the IBHoF, he beat Dawson and he’s also a fairly popular fighter that attracts impressive viewing figures for his bouts.

And the Hall-of-Fame does seem to favour commercially popular fighters, even if they’re less accomplished than their peers.

That being said, ‘Bad’ Chad’s peak (though relatively short) was more impressive than Pascal’s, because he’s beaten better fighters.

I wouldn’t be against either of these guys being inducted into the IBHoF, because they’re vastly more accomplished than existing Hall-of-Famers like Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson.

It’s just that I doubt they’ll make it, because the voting poll is already stacked full of fighters that I feel had more impressive careers than Pascal and Dawson.

[Cyclops]

I think Pascal just edged it with recent fights with Jack and Browne. Dismantling prospect Elbiali is also okay. Or maybe one more solid win? Dawson is not HOFamer for me, sorry

Damn it just shows you what a casual I've become in my old age that I didn't even know about those wins. I don't stay up horribly late to stream fights US time particularly anymore. I must have read about these results in Boxing News but I just forgot about them. Those are good names.

Perhaps that says more about those two fighters than it does Pascal. I'd kind of given up on Pascal a long time ago: I remember him as the guy who fought a fun fight with Froch at SMW, got kinda lucky against Dawson, knocked an old Hopkins down twice to only get a draw. Hopkins beat him in the rematch to become the oldest champion in history! Then he got absolutely destroyed by Kovalev twice, and wasn't there a fight that everybody thought was a clear robbery? I never got around to watching it but I think it was (looks up Boxrec record) Gonzalez? I guess I'd sort of binned him off as a very good but past it also-ran.

Not that I especially care about the HOF all that much. F*ck it let 'em both in!

[chinarich]

I’d let Pascal in the HOF, the man has shown his warrior qualities time and again. Lately he has been defying time and rolling back the years.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Neither will ever get in. Hall of very good

[gilgamesh]

I’d let Pascal in the HOF, the man has shown his warrior qualities time and again. Lately he has been defying time and rolling back the years.

He seems like he's gotten better at hurting guys with one shot at a time. All his flaws are still as obvious as they've ever been. He just seems to have developed good timing with his bombs. At least in his last couple of fights.

I thought Jack beat him, but it was close.

[Coco]

Define HOF worthy

Barry McGuigan is there, are they better than him?

[lazboy]

I’d let Pascal in the HOF, the man has shown his warrior qualities time and again. Lately he has been defying time and rolling back the years.

He seems like he's gotten better at hurting guys with one shot at a time. All his flaws are still as obvious as they've ever been. He just seems to have developed good timing with his bombs. At least in his last couple of fights.

I thought Jack beat him, but it was close.

Agree with all of that. Maybe because he’s not moving his feet as much and is counter punching mostly or something.... Very awkward style. Personally I don’t like it at all but it’s been effective. His will and his athleticism trumps his skill Imo. Also thought Jack edged him.

[DrDuke]

Pascal is closer to be there, because he has been around for long, fought in a quite some amount of big bouts, had a helluva opposition and some good wins. He has a better resume, than some of the already inducted.

Dawson was a top fighter of his era and had some good scalps, but his credibility was much more short-lived to be inducted.

[Onetimeonly]

Define HOF worthy

Barry McGuigan is there, are they better than him?

Mcguigan is off the bubble. Vitali is the new clubhouse leader and they're both much more accomplished than he is. Two wrongs don't make a right tho, holding voters to the levels of their biggest failures is failure. Dawson has 4 dominant wins and 1 debatable win against arguable candidates to go with another dominant win over a legend along with pretty much making him quit. There are a lot of guys in the hall that can't come close to that.

[Syntax Error]

Define HOF worthy

Barry McGuigan is there, are they better than him?

For me personally, I don't take the acronym HOF too literally.

Some people think that only the best of the best should get in, but I don't necessarily agree with that.

Obviously I believe a fighter had to have reached a high level and made an impact, otherwise you'd have Conor McGregor and Andrew Flintoff in there, but I do believe that Messrs Dawson and Pascal have achieved enough and paid their dues in this toughest of sports to warrant entry.

[Enlightened-One]

Pascal and Dawson are less accomplished than Danny Garcia, yet fight fans are passionately arguing that they’re more worthy for being inducted into the IBHoF, even though the very same people claim the latter does not deserve to be inducted.

And that just seems strange to me.

[Enlightened-One]

A gentle reminder to those that feel that Vitali Klitschko isn’t Hall-of-Fame worthy...

Here’s a summary of Vitali Klitschko's professional career highlights:

• Over the course of thirteen years, Vitali Klitschko engaged in seventeen world title fights, facing nine former world champions, despite being inactive for a four-year period during that timeframe.

• ‘Dr. Ironfist’ is a three-time world heavyweight champion and was rated amongst The RING’s top-ten heavyweight annual rankings nine times between the years 1999 to 2012. The only reason for him not being rated for four of those years was due to his temporary retirement.

• Vitali managed to reclaim his WBC world heavyweight title back from The RING’s second-highest ranked heavyweight fighter, Samuel Peter, without even bothering with a warm-up fight, despite being inactive for four years beforehand, due to retirement.

• Over the course of his 15½ year career in the pro ranks, Vitali scored 41 knockouts in the 47 bouts he competed in, with 91% of his victories coming by way of KO, the highest percentage of any former world heavyweight champion.

• His only losses were due to having suffered injuries. And he was even leading on all three official judges’ scorecards at the time both fights were stopped.

• Only Wladimir Klitschko, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have achieved more victories whilst competing in world heavyweight title fights.

And for the record, Vitali Klitschko has already been inducted into the Hall-of-Fame.

[margaret thatcher]

What are his 5 best wins

[Enlightened-One]

What are his 5 best wins

Name one fighter, other than his brother, he refused to face?

He faced the beat of his era. End of story.

It doesn’t matter if his era wasn’t very good.

[margaret thatcher]

Pascal and Dawson are less accomplished than Danny Garcia, yet fight fans are passionately arguing that they’re more worthy for being inducted into the IBHoF, even though the very same people claim the latter does not deserve to be inducted.

And that just seems strange to me.

Where are all these 'passionate' arguments for them and by whom?

[margaret thatcher]

What are his 5 best wins

Name one fighter, other than his brother, he refused to face?

All that text but now you're short on words

Says it all about his the quality of his wins

[Enlightened-One]

Pascal and Dawson are less accomplished than Danny Garcia, yet fight fans are passionately arguing that they’re more worthy for being inducted into the IBHoF, even though the very same people claim the latter does not deserve to be inducted.

And that just seems strange to me.

Where are all these 'passionate' arguments for them and by whom?

There’s a separate thread that contains loads of names of those that don’t believe Danny Garcia is Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Are you seriously claiming this isn’t the case?

Come on kiddo, don’t be a moron. There has to be certain aspects of the real world you have to acknowledge even if it doesn’t adhere to your preferred perception of reality?