Your HW ratings

[margaret thatcher]

Give me your ratings, to whatever number you want

There have been some big results for the division lately

[sturm vogel]

Can't give them to you because they would no longer be mine.

[margaret thatcher]

[Finkel]

Top 15?

[margaret thatcher]

Go deep as you want bruh, sometiems you get to a point where everyone just basically blurs together

[gilgamesh]

Champion: Tyson Fury (2-22-2020) [also #7 P4P]

1. Anthony Joshua - (last fought: 9-7-2019)
2. Deontay Wilder - (last fought: 2-22-2020)
3. Dillian Whyte - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
4. Andy Ruiz - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
5. Alexander Povetkin - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
6. Luis Ortiz - (last fought: 11-23-2019)
7. Oleksandr Usyk - (last fought: 10-12-2019)
8. Kubrat Pulev - (last fought: 3-23-2019)
9. Joseph Parker - (last fought: 2-29-2020)
10. Michael Hunter - (last fought: 12-7-2019)

11. Robert Helenius - (last fought: 3-7-2020)
12. Dereck Chisora - (last fought: 10-26-2019)
13. Joe Joyce - (last fought: 7-13-2019)
14. Adam Kownacki - (last fought: 3-7-2020)
15. Otto Wallin - (last fought: 9-14-2019)
16. Oscar Rivas - (last fought: 7-20-2019)
17. Dominic Breazeale - (last fought: 5-18-2019)
18. Charles Martin - (last fought: 2-22-2020)
19. Agit Kabayel - (last fought: 3-2-2019)
20. Carlos Takam - (last fought: 12-22-2018)

[margaret thatcher]

PBC has a lot of their contenders coming off losses don;t they, Wilder, Kownacki, Ruiz, Ortiz, Breazeale, Washington

[KiwiRider]

PBC has a lot of their contenders coming off losses don;t they, Wilder, Kownacki, Ruiz, Ortiz, Breazeale, Washington

I think it's great. Now when they match in-house, their guys will be fighting for their futures. That ship has sailed for Brazeale and Washington, but you never know.
I like Kownacki Vs Ruiz, and Ortiz Vs the rest home orderlies

[Finkel]

1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ruiz Jr.
6. Povetkin
7. Pulev
8. Parker
9. Hunter
10. Chisora
11. Ortiz
12. Martin
13. Helenius
14. Joyce
15. Wallin

[gilgamesh]

PBC has a lot of their contenders coming off losses don;t they, Wilder, Kownacki, Ruiz, Ortiz, Breazeale, Washington

And some guys coming off wins ain't exactly world beaters. Charles Martin for instance.

[Lennox]

don't have last nights results but.

www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200

Helenius bt Kownacki
Washington bt Helenius
Charles Martin bt Washington

[margaret thatcher]

And Kownacki beat Martin and Wash

[Lennox]

Yes but the more recent situation should count.

Martin bt Washington who beat Helenius who beat Kownacki...don't you think?

I agree it gets complicated.
1-TYSON FURY
2-ANTHONY JOSHUA
3-DEONTAY WILDER
4-ANDY RUIZ jnr
5-DILLIAN WHYTE
6-OLEKSANDR USYK
7-ALEXANDER POVETKIN
8-LUIS ORTIZ
9-KUBRAT PULEV
10-DERECK CHISORA
11-JOE JOYCE
12-JOSEPH PARKER
13-MICHAEL HUNTER
14-CHRISTIAN HAMMER
15-AGIT KABAYEL
16-DOMINIC BREAZEALE
17-FILIP HRGOVIC
18-OSCAR RIVAS
19-CHARLES MARTIN
20-GERALD WASHINGTON
21-ROBERT HELENIUS
22-ADAM KOWNACKI
23-BRYANT JENNINGS

[gregregegg]

1 fury
2 AJ
3 wilder/Whyte
5 Parker
6 Ortiz
7 hunter
8 Ruiz
9 povetkin
10 pulev,
11 Chisora
12 Joyce
13 DDD
14 hrgovic

Plus usyk somewhere in there. Hard to say where. On the one hand, amazing resume compared to most of these... But at cruiser.

[candyslim]

1) Tyson Fury
2) Anthony Joshua
3) Deontay Wilder
4) Dillian Whyte
5) Andy Ruiz Jnr.
6) Oleksandr Usyk
7) Michael Hunter
8) Alexandr Povetkin
9) Joseph Parker
10) Luis Ortiz
11) Adam Kownacki
12) Kubrat Pulev
13) Oscar Rivas
14) Charles Martin
15) Joe Joyce
16) Filip Hrgovic
17) Dereck Chisora
16) Christian Hammer
19) Otto Wallin
20) Dominic Breazeale
21) Agit Kabayel
22) Hughie Fury
23) Martin Bakole Ilunga
24) Bryant Jennings
25) Daniel Dubois

[candyslim]

That's pretty difficult. People complain of a lack of depth but there's probably 40 or 50 heavyweights who could make a case (not necessarily a very strong case) to be rated in the top 20. I just realized I forgot Jarrell Miller, I don't know if that was some kind of subconscious protest, and I found no place for Helenius, Takam, Ajagba, Washington, Kuzmin, Charr, Bryan and so on ...

Edit: There is a moral here. Catch up on last night's results before posting your ratings update. Failure can lead to embarrassment

How do you begin to evaluate Robert Helenius - the man is a complete (Nordic) nightmare.

[joshj909]

My top 15 based on records(as it should be):

1. Joshua
2. Fury
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ruiz
6. Povetkin
7. Parker
8. Hunter
9. Pulev
10. Ortiz
12. Rivas
13. Chisora
14. Joyce (though I dispute his win over Jennings)
15. Helenius/Martin/Washington/Kownacki (They've all beat and lost to each other so??)

That last spot was tough to fill and is definitely up for grabs.

[joshj909]

Yes but the more recent situation should count.

Martin bt Washington who beat Helenius who beat Kownacki...don't you think?

I agree it gets complicated.
1-TYSON FURY
2-ANTHONY JOSHUA
3-DEONTAY WILDER
4-ANDY RUIZ jnr
5-DILLIAN WHYTE
6-OLEKSANDR USYK
7-ALEXANDER POVETKIN
8-LUIS ORTIZ
9-KUBRAT PULEV
10-DERECK CHISORA
11-JOE JOYCE
12-JOSEPH PARKER
13-MICHAEL HUNTER
14-CHRISTIAN HAMMER
15-AGIT KABAYEL
16-DOMINIC BREAZEALE
17-FILIP HRGOVIC
18-OSCAR RIVAS
19-CHARLES MARTIN
20-GERALD WASHINGTON
21-ROBERT HELENIUS
22-ADAM KOWNACKI
23-BRYANT JENNINGS

No real complaints but can you explain how Hammer is still so high? He always seems to be unusually high in the PBO list? (And also Boxrec for that matter)

[Lennox]

Christian Hammer is not a top tenner but he has some decent wins. Kevin johnson (when Johnson had only lost 3) Erkham Teper when he was undefeated, David Price, Mike Wallisch when he was undefeated..his recent losses are to strong opposition, Luis Ortiz (on points), Alexander Povetkin (on points), Tyson Fury (at one stage was a NC).

his losses to good opposition do not significantly drop him under our rules.

Personally I think he should be a touch lower but ratings should never be about everyone in the exact position YOU think they are, and picking the lower ranked fighter on the way up against an ageing fighter on the way down but highly ranked is about what good matchmaking and management is about. aka Carroll and Scott Quigg last night.

Christian Hammer does not quite get the respect he deserves, but he is a good top 15/20 gatekeeper.

[joshj909]

Christian Hammer is not a top tenner but he has some decent wins. Kevin johnson (when Johnson had only lost 3) Erkham Teper when he was undefeated, David Price, Mike Wallisch when he was undefeated..his recent losses are to strong opposition, Luis Ortiz (on points), Alexander Povetkin (on points), Tyson Fury (at one stage was a NC).

his losses to good opposition do not significantly drop him under our rules.

Personally I think he should be a touch lower but ratings should never be about everyone in the exact position YOU think they are, and picking the lower ranked fighter on the way up against an ageing fighter on the way down but highly ranked is about what good matchmaking and management is about. aka Carroll and Scott Quigg last night.

Christian Hammer does not quite get the respect he deserves, but he is a good top 15/20 gatekeeper.

Those wins are a while ago now and they have since lost many more fights. I would've thought he would've declined in ranking since (and Wallisch has no credible wins).

Anyway, just curious as it's a trend I see but next to nobody ranks him in their top 15.

[Lenny Cravats]

Champion: Tyson Fury (2-22-2020) [also #7 P4P]

1. Anthony Joshua - (last fought: 9-7-2019)
2. Deontay Wilder - (last fought: 2-22-2020)
3. Dillian Whyte - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
4. Andy Ruiz - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
5. Alexander Povetkin - (last fought: 12-7-2019)
6. Luis Ortiz - (last fought: 11-23-2019)
7. Oleksandr Usyk - (last fought: 10-12-2019)
8. Kubrat Pulev - (last fought: 3-23-2019)
9. Joseph Parker - (last fought: 2-29-2020)
10. Michael Hunter - (last fought: 12-7-2019)

11. Robert Helenius - (last fought: 3-7-2020)
12. Dereck Chisora - (last fought: 10-26-2019)
13. Joe Joyce - (last fought: 7-13-2019)
14. Adam Kownacki - (last fought: 3-7-2020)
15. Otto Wallin - (last fought: 9-14-2019)
16. Oscar Rivas - (last fought: 7-20-2019)
17. Dominic Breazeale - (last fought: 5-18-2019)
18. Charles Martin - (last fought: 2-22-2020)
19. Agit Kabayel - (last fought: 3-2-2019)
20. Carlos Takam - (last fought: 12-22-2018)

That’s pretty good.

Yeah that's pretty solid - not sure about Usyk, though.
Not doubting talent or potential, but I find it difficult to rank fighters in a weight category they haven't really competed in. Bashing up Chazz wouldn't land a guy a top 10 spot. Though yeah, you wouldn't rank him as a debutant.

[DrDuke]

1. Tyson Fury
2. Anthony Joshua

3. Deontay Wilder
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Alexander Povetkin

6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Andy Ruiz Jr
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Joseph Parker
10. Michael Hunter

11. Dereck Chisora
12. Charles Martin
13. Robert Helenius
14. Agit Kabayel
15. Adam Kownacki

[margaret thatcher]

Yes but the more recent situation should count.

Martin bt Washington who beat Helenius who beat Kownacki...don't you think?

I agree it gets complicated.
1-TYSON FURY
2-ANTHONY JOSHUA
3-DEONTAY WILDER
4-ANDY RUIZ jnr
5-DILLIAN WHYTE
6-OLEKSANDR USYK
7-ALEXANDER POVETKIN
8-LUIS ORTIZ
9-KUBRAT PULEV
10-DERECK CHISORA
11-JOE JOYCE
12-JOSEPH PARKER
13-MICHAEL HUNTER
14-CHRISTIAN HAMMER
15-AGIT KABAYEL
16-DOMINIC BREAZEALE
17-FILIP HRGOVIC
18-OSCAR RIVAS
19-CHARLES MARTIN
20-GERALD WASHINGTON
21-ROBERT HELENIUS
22-ADAM KOWNACKI
23-BRYANT JENNINGS

The most recent is Helenius knocking out a guy who beat Washington and Martin (in other words, he beat the only guy who has defeated more than 1 of the 3). By this comparison only, Helenius should be ahead of them all.

No way should Kownacki be below Washington in any reasonable rating, he butchered him in like 4 minutes head to head only a year ago and has a significantly stronger resume overall too. They are both coming off stoppage losses as well, though Kownacki was ahead and not losing every round like Washington. Your ratings are a bit of a mess now on this issue.

Kownacki beat: Washington (an early KTFO), Martin, Szpilka, Arreola, Kiladze
Wash beat: Helenius, Jerry Forrest?

Kownacki also beat up Wash far more one sided than Washington beat Helenius (that was a come from behind win). Don't see how this situations edges Washington at all

[Lennox]

If you look at the recent order of the fights you see that Helenius beat Kownacki, so we all agree Helenius is superior to Kownacki, Washington beat Helenius 9 months ago so he is superior to Helenius. Charles Martin beat Washington a month ago, so the recent form puts;
Charles Martin
Gerald Washington
Robert Helenius
Adam Kownacki

Kownacki's win are in the past now.

I don't think that is a mess because recent performance has to be more important that past performance. PBO ratings works on lineage or man that beat the man.

No one will ever agree on the same 10 fighters in a row let alone 20.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol Kownacki butchered Washington just a year ago and has a far stronger record. Washington in his last fight lost every round and got stopped by a guy Kownacki beat, terrible argument for putting Washington ahead. Kownacki was far more compeititive in his loss as well

There are a lot of debatable ratings but Wash ahead of Kownacki is just clowning, especially when at the same time you are keeping Helenius behind Washington (Helly beat the only guy who has multiple wins in the series), the fights were just months apart anyway it's not like Kownacki's wins were all ages and ages ago

If you stick to just measuring the single best wins Helenius should be at the front, if you go for an overall view clearly Washington is at the back. How you end up with what you did is just strange