Jack Johnson

[margaret thatcher]

How does the giant--the man of the devestating parry, the unbreakable hug, and the basher of middleweights, do vs

vs Lennox Lewis

vs Tyson Fury

vs Moo Ali

[DrDuke]

Lewis would provide the hardest defeat for Johnson. He wouldn't only calculate him, smartly use his size and length advantage, but also he could hurt him more, than the other two.

Fury would use his anthropometrics in a similar way to Lewis and with his elusiveness he would be a more difficult target. He would be likely to take the decision over Johnson.

Ali would score the less damaging win for Johnson, as for him it would be the most dangerous thing to fight in close quarters against Johnson, so Ali would circle around the middleweight crusher and outscore him.

[Ambling Alp II]

He would most likely go 1-2. Pretty sure he could handle Fury's unbelievable speed.

[margaret thatcher]

That's a lot of weight to support in one of Jack's many hugs though tbf. Maybe that's why Jack could never get a win facing a title challenger over 190 who hadn't been inactive for 6 years--tired and sore from those heavy heavy hugs. A lot easier to support guys in the ring weighing around the 150s and 160s (or the 170s at a push lol) like JJ was fond of

I guess Johnson vs Danny Garcia is a fitting hypothetical

[Ambling Alp II]

At the age of 37, he made it to the 26th round against a guy who weighed 230. He was winning the fight before than. He beat many fighters who weighed a lot more than 170.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, so he did in fact get worn down by trying to hug onto a 230 pound guy, though to be fair, it was a bit unjust that Jack had to face an opponent who was both big and had fought within the last 6 years.

To even things out they should have thrown him in with another one of these 162, 168, 170, or 156 on fight day midget opponents, ideally after years of them being inactive. Of course he did defend his title with wins over a lot of others too, like a grand total of 0 opponents who were both over 193 and had fought within the last half decade. And you're right, he also fought some guys who might only be a little smaller than today's LHWs (who are about the same size as the 'giant' lol)

My advice to Jack if he were listening: hit the gym, strengthen up those little muscles, because it's a lot more tiring to hug on non stop to a 260 guy leaning on you than a 160 guy. I know how much Alp loved Wlad's hugging btw, but of course with circus show Jack it's an art

Parry of the gods !!

[adislav123]

Ya, so he did in fact get worn down by trying to hug onto a 230 pound guy, though to be fair, it was a bit unjust that Jack had to face an opponent who was both big and had fought within the last 6 years.

To even things out they should have thrown him in with another one of these 162, 168, 170, or 156 on fight day midget opponents, ideally after years of them being inactive. Of course he did defend his title with wins over a lot of others too, like a grand total of 0 opponents who were both over 193 and had fought within the last half decade. And you're right, he also fought some guys who might only be a little smaller than today's LHWs (who are about the same size as the 'giant' lol)

My advice to Jack if he were listening: hit the gym, strengthen up those little muscles, because it's a lot more tiring to hug on non stop to a 260 guy leaning on you than a 160 guy. I know how much Alp loved Wlad's hugging btw, but of course with circus show Jack it's an art

Parry of the gods !!

you are just an idiot obsessed with musclemass, height and reach, with zero clue about boxing and it's history.

johnson was an ABSOLUTE master of his craft. THE BEST in his era.

nutrition, training, gloves, rules... everything was different then to now. so how he would have faired against any fighter from now is purely hypothetical and IRRELEVANT.

in boxing guys then and now didn't & don't succeed CAUSE how much they weigh, how tall they stand or how muscular they are.

you have to have a certain top physical fitness & power to compete at the top level. but what wins in boxing is brains, technique combined with natural talent, grit & guts.

then & now.

[margaret thatcher]

I take the fighters as they were bruh, it just embarrasses them when you have to come up with stuff like that because they had all sorts of weak points and flaws in what they actually did and who they actually were

[Ambling Alp II]

Ya, so he did in fact get worn down by trying to hug onto a 230 pound guy, though to be fair, it was a bit unjust that Jack had to face an opponent who was both big and had fought within the last 6 years.

To even things out they should have thrown him in with another one of these 162, 168, 170, or 156 on fight day midget opponents, ideally after years of them being inactive. Of course he did defend his title with wins over a lot of others too, like a grand total of 0 opponents who were both over 193 and had fought within the last half decade. And you're right, he also fought some guys who might only be a little smaller than today's LHWs (who are about the same size as the 'giant' lol)

My advice to Jack if he were listening: hit the gym, strengthen up those little muscles, because it's a lot more tiring to hug on non stop to a 260 guy leaning on you than a 160 guy. I know how much Alp loved Wlad's hugging btw, but of course with circus show Jack it's an art

Parry of the gods !!

If you knew anything about Johnson's era, you would know that fighters took whoever was available. He couldn't just hop on a train to Vegas. If Fury fought then, he would have fought smaller guys. If Johnson fought today, he would not be fighting middleweights.
Check out Jeannette and McVey's record, (if you ever of them) they fought smaller fighters as well.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, I guess Johnson's career was such a freak show because of the times, tough luck for the 'giant'. I know you've been so consistent in giving guys bonuses to make up for any shortcoming in their era and opposition

[DrDuke]

Ya, so he did in fact get worn down by trying to hug onto a 230 pound guy, though to be fair, it was a bit unjust that Jack had to face an opponent who was both big and had fought within the last 6 years.

To even things out they should have thrown him in with another one of these 162, 168, 170, or 156 on fight day midget opponents, ideally after years of them being inactive. Of course he did defend his title with wins over a lot of others too, like a grand total of 0 opponents who were both over 193 and had fought within the last half decade. And you're right, he also fought some guys who might only be a little smaller than today's LHWs (who are about the same size as the 'giant' lol)

My advice to Jack if he were listening: hit the gym, strengthen up those little muscles, because it's a lot more tiring to hug on non stop to a 260 guy leaning on you than a 160 guy. I know how much Alp loved Wlad's hugging btw, but of course with circus show Jack it's an art

Parry of the gods !!

If you knew anything about Johnson's era, you would know that fighters took whoever was available. He couldn't just hop on a train to Vegas. If Fury fought then, he would have fought smaller guys. If Johnson fought today, he would not be fighting middleweights.
Check out Jeannette and McVey's record, (if you ever of them) they fought smaller fighters as well.

Again biased sh!tposting with advocating Johnson, who fought long time ago. Never saw ya saying similar stuff about Wlad.

[Ambling Alp II]

How is this biased? I'm not dismissing a guy just because he fought before my time, which is what many people do. That is bias.
I have criticized him many times for not defending the title against Jeannette and McVey. I am pointing out what he did do.
What am I supposed to say about Wladimir Klitschko? He had lot of "title defenses"?

[margaret thatcher]

A lot of title defenses for sure, hey, it's not his fault his era was like it was right, you have to give him extra points to correct for that

Hmmm...who wins Wlad vs Danny Garcia or Julian Williams?? How about if they both have been retired for 6 years?

[DrDuke]

How is this biased? I'm not dismissing a guy just because he fought before my time, which is what many people do. That is bias.

So, dismissing a guy just because he fought before my time, which is what many people do, is bias, but dismissing a guy just because he fought in recent times, which is what many people including you do, isn't? Hmm...

What am I supposed to say about Wladimir Klitschko? He had lot of "title defenses"?

No, at least the same, what you've said about the middleweight crusher: that he took whoever was available.

[Ambling Alp II]

I don't dismiss a guy who fought in recent times. I don't care when a fighter fought; I care about how good he was. There were bad, mediocre, good, great, fighters in ever era. Sometimes specific weight classes have been weaker in specific moment in time; but overall the sport is usually pretty comparable in most eras.

No I don't think Wladimir Klitschko fought every tough opponent that he could have. Unless I missed the Lennox Lewis fight, among others.
I do count his embarrassing losses against Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster heavily against him.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya good point, I wonder how Jack would do hugging light heavyweight sized guys around his size today, guys like Joe Smith and Sully Barrera are taller and have weighed more on fight day. Though of course we'd have to jump down to around welter to middle to find many of the guys he fought LOL--obviously guys like Jess were too big and strong. Of course, the more inactive they've been the better for lord of the parry.

[DrDuke]

I don't care when a fighter fought

[Ambling Alp II]

Ya good point, I wonder how Jack would do hugging light heavyweight sized guys around his size today, guys like Joe Smith and Sully Barrera are taller and have weighed more on fight day. Though of course we'd have to jump down to around welter to middle to find many of the guys he fought LOL--obviously guys like Jess were too big and strong. Of course, the more inactive they've been the better for lord of the parry.

Yes I'm sure he would have welterweights if he fought today.
Wonder how well Fury would do fighting 20 rounds?
I'm sure he would have no problem lasting until the 26th round when he was 37.

[margaret thatcher]

There you go, now even you see just how strong his love of fighting tiny opponents was

Imagine Fury winning the HW title vs a 5'7 160s opponent . aka Danny Garcia. Then imagine him getting major props for a career full of sh!t like that

Hmm, I'd bet Fury could fight 50 rounds vs Jess if he decided to punch less and hug a hell of a lot more, kinda like our boi JJ

[Ambling Alp II]

I'm not giving Johnson props for beating Burns. He beat the guy who had the title. What Fury do that in situation? Pass on a title shot after fighting for 10 years?
Yeah I'm sure Fury could go 50 rounds. No problem.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, he did what he had to do during a freak show era where hw bouts were contested by guys the size of today's welters and middles, where guys fought for titles after 6 years retired inactive. Big 'giant' Jack beat on those shorties and retirees and held them good, wasn't his fault his era was a total weak ass freakshow, therefore he gets bonus points, just as I'm sure you give all other guys to make up for shortcomings in their eras

Fury wouldn't need to fight that many rounds vs JJ of course, he'd just hug the 'giant' back like Jess did to wear him out long before. A strong bear hug approach by Fury would do wonders to negate the parry of the gawds too lol

[Ambling Alp II]

Ya, another brilliant post. Your understanding of Johnson's era is excellent. The years of research that you must of have done to understand it so well is remarkable.

[margaret thatcher]

Thanks bruh, my understanding is great. You actually must not think too much of JJ's era deep down if you feel the need to level out the playing field on account of the shortcomings of his time. Oh oh, but they all fought tiny and inactive opponents lolol

JJ, the size of a light heavyweight today, the love of hugging and mugging the little and the retired. Hugs, weak opposition, small opponents, well you must love Klitschko

[Ambling Alp II]

Maybe you just ignore his fights against non-heavyweights. Throw out the Jeffries fight. He would still have more fights than Fury. Just a crazy thought.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol and there you'd have his biggest fights gone, well except the KO to big Jess