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Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 15:04
by zuru
Maybe Im wrong but off my head:
Caveman Lee vs Hagler
Leroy Jones vs Holmes
Dave Tiberi vs Toney
Scott Frank vs Holmes
Marvis Frazier vs Holmes
(Wait why's so many Holmes fights? Oh yeah the last 2,bum of the month tour)
None of these guys deserved a Title shot even though according to many Tiberi won.But based on the prefights they hadn't earned it.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 15:07
by Nile4000
Richard Dunn
David Sears
In a way, Bernard Taylor.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 15:09
by Onetimeonly
Pipino cuevas vs espada.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 16:38
by scartissue
Hi-Sup Shin
Tae Jin Moon
Du Koo Kim
Miguel Iriarte
Ulysseus Morales
Kiko Bejines
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 16:41
by dr_devious
zuru wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 15:04
Dave Tiberi vs Toney
Didn't Tiberi run Toney particularly close? May have been lucky to get a shot in the first place but proved he deserved his shot on the night
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 16:55
by oogiebe
Muhammud Ali (vs Holmes)
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 17:00
by prewarboxing
Dave Zyglewicz
Johnny Paychek
Pete Rademacher
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 17:18
by Dart340
Terry Daniels against Frazier
Eddie Ndukwu against Wilfredo Gomez
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 17:31
by zuru
All of the above some I do remember Richard Dunn to be one.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 17:31
by margaret thatcher
Several Joe Louis challengers
Damon Reed vs Herbman Hide
Raz Cojanu vs Joe Parker
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 18:00
by DrDuke
Wilder's opposition up to Ortiz.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 18:05
by Onetimeonly
dr_devious wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 16:41
zuru wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 15:04
Dave Tiberi vs Toney
Didn't Tiberi run Toney particularly close? May have been lucky to get a shot in the first place but proved he deserved his shot on the night
Close? He dominated toney.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 18:12
by Seamus
Richard Frazier vs Roy Jones Jr
Mike Quarry vs Bob Foster
Pablo Baez vs Tommy Hearns
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 18:30
by Scypion
Leon Spinks
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 19:07
by Onetimeonly
Seamus wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 18:12
Richard Frazier vs Roy Jones Jr
Mike Quarry vs Bob Foster
Pablo Baez vs Tommy Hearns
Baez is a good one. Had to have trouble getting someone to fight Tommy. Leonard fought kalule on that card.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 20:00
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Ismael negron
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 20:34
by Nile4000
Jim McDonald.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 20:47
by scartissue
Dart340 wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 17:18
Terry Daniels against Frazier
Eddie Ndukwu against Wilfredo Gomez
Dart, actually the Gomez v Ndukwu fight was a non-title. Eddie never actually did fight for a world title. I see Mike Quarry was mentioned by someone else here, but Mike deserved his shot. The outcome, of course, was something different. I have also seen some fighters like Cuevas, who has been mentioned, and Jorge Lujan, who both didn't deserve title shots, but after they won they carved a good championship reign for themselves. I looked at this whole subject matter as - whether they won or not, did they deserve that initial title try?
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 20:59
by Seamus
I believe Manuel Ortiz had several soft title defenses.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 05 May 2020, 22:20
by Dart340
scartissue wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 20:47
Dart340 wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 17:18
Terry Daniels against Frazier
Eddie Ndukwu against Wilfredo Gomez
Dart, actually the Gomez v Ndukwu fight was a non-title. Eddie never actually did fight for a world title. I see Mike Quarry was mentioned by someone else here, but Mike deserved his shot. The outcome, of course, was something different. I have also seen some fighters like Cuevas, who has been mentioned, and Jorge Lujan, who both didn't deserve title shots, but after they won they carved a good championship reign for themselves. I looked at this whole subject matter as - whether they won or not, did they deserve that initial title try?
Good call, I thought it was a title fight but Gomez came in over the weight and they scrapped the title part the day of the fight. Agree about Quarry too,
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 06 May 2020, 19:07
by elmersalsa
Tyrell Biggs with only 17 fights as a professional, challenged the monster "Iron" Mike Tyson. Gosh! He almost got murdered in only 7 rounds!
I think that Biggs should have had more fights and experience before challenging for a world championship.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 06 May 2020, 19:11
by bwu
Rafael Lovera. Challenging for a world title in your first fight is a dangerous idea.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 06 May 2020, 20:40
by Nile4000
Howard Davis jr vs Jim Watt.
Gato Gonzalez vs Claude Noel.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 06 May 2020, 20:55
by oogiebe
scartissue wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 20:47
Dart340 wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 17:18
Terry Daniels against Frazier
Eddie Ndukwu against Wilfredo Gomez
Dart, actually the Gomez v Ndukwu fight was a non-title. Eddie never actually did fight for a world title. I see Mike Quarry was mentioned by someone else here, but Mike deserved his shot. The outcome, of course, was something different. I have also seen some fighters like Cuevas, who has been mentioned, and Jorge Lujan, who both didn't deserve title shots, but after they won they carved a good championship reign for themselves. I looked at this whole subject matter as - whether they won or not, did they deserve that initial title try?
Was just going to post about Mike Quarry. He did earn his shot and had some decent fights against top LHW's after losing to Foster, although mostly decision losses, but to top fighters. Lopez; Fourie; Bogs; etc.
Re: Fighters that shouldn't have been in Title fights
Posted: 06 May 2020, 21:01
by gilgamesh
Morrade Hakkar against Bernard Hopkins was pretty damn embarrassing.
There's quite a few guys that have gotten title shots based on being undefeated, but had never beaten a noteworthy contender to deserve serious contender status.
Pete Frissina against Rafael Marquez is one such example
I'm sure there's several of those types.