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I believe Joe Goosen is one example, though he says he was a sparring partner for Randy Shields. Any others who didn't have any amateur or pro bouts ?

I wouldn't call Ben Davison a top trainer but he trained a top guy fury. I never heard of Davidson having fought? Also did E Stewart's nephew who's training fury previously fight?

Angelo Dundee, I think.

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 16:55 I wouldn't call Ben Davison a top trainer but he trained a top guy fury. I never heard of Davidson having fought? Also did E Stewart's nephew who's training fury previously fight?

Davison boxed amateur.

Noxy wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 17:07

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 16:55 I wouldn't call Ben Davison a top trainer but he trained a top guy fury. I never heard of Davidson having fought? Also did E Stewart's nephew who's training fury previously fight?

Davison boxed amateur.

Amateur doesn’t count lol

I don't think futch or Clancy were fighters.

Futch was a terrific amateur and Clancy boxed in the military.I'm talking guys with no amateur or pro bouts.

I don’t think Enzo boxed.

Does barney Eastwood count? Ran a club with John Breen

Dundee as mentioned. Lou Duva? Couldn't see him as much of a boxer.

Duva had a brief pro career and Dundee had a few amateur bouts in the service. I started this thread because Buddy McGirt said only a former boxer can be a good trainer.

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 12:10 Does barney Eastwood count? Ran a club with John Breen

He wasn’t a trainer though, he was on the business side.

goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:14 Duva had a brief pro career and Dundee had a few amateur bouts in the service. I started this thread because Buddy McGirt said only a former boxer can be a good trainer.

He probably meant, someone who boxed pro. I don’t see a few amateur fights making much difference.

But can a man who has never boxed teach someone how to box ?

goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:14 Duva had a brief pro career and Dundee had a few amateur bouts in the service. I started this thread because Buddy McGirt said only a former boxer can be a good trainer.

I think it would help. Even sparring. Certainly a great trainer could have been a not very good boxer though.

goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:19 But can a man who has never boxed teach someone how to box ?

I wouldn’t have thought so but the evidence appears to suggest otherwise. I‘m sure, for example, Enzo didn’t box. Dundee, a top trainer, had a few amateur fights. He must have gained his skills outside the ropes.

Having a take charge personality may be even more important. Even when you listen to the great trainers, their advice usually isn't rocket science. "Let your hands go." "Take a deep breath, just relax."

Psychologically, a fighter wants a trainer with a hands on boxing background. It's like you don't want a financial advisor who is poor or nutritional advisor who is fat. The advice may be good, but it's human nature to ask, what have you done?

Did lomas dad box??

Noxy wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:24

goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:19 But can a man who has never boxed teach someone how to box ?

I wouldn’t have thought so but the evidence appears to suggest otherwise. I‘m sure, for example, Enzo didn’t box. Dundee, a top trainer, had a few amateur fights. He must have gained his skills outside the ropes.

Teaching anybody anything is a mysterious business.

Experience strongly suggests it's best done as early as possible.

Apart from tightening up defences as Klitschko and Lewis did under Steward, there doesn't seem to be much more possible for a fully developed boxer to learn. Even then, it must have took a considerable effort on the parts of Wladimir and Lennox to make those necessary stylistic adjustments. We saw Joshua make an adjustment recently, but will Wilder be able to do the same?

If we could figure out how teaching really works, ie how to motivate, how to focus concentration, how to make the knowledge stick etc, then it would be easy to maximise everyone's talent.

But it isn't. Even worse it's a two sided process, the coach is often learning as much as his fighter. As Tony1244 said there's often also a symbiotic relationship involved with respect necessary on both sides.

Still doesn't answer the question of whether the trainer needs to have boxed - I don't think so. I suspect what's more important is a deep understanding of people, boxing, and training methods.

Step forward Angelo Dundee, Cus D'Amato..

Teddy Atlas

Duran1970 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 18:59 Teddy Atlas

He's a shit trainer.

Not to fond of him either but deserves a mention

How bout Ray Arcel

Arcel said he had about 8 bouts.