Can Jarrett Hurd improve his game?

[Cent0089]

Lets talk about one of my favorite fighters today. I love Hurd fights. That toughness, stamina and physical presence are inspiration. But i am wondering if boxer can improve his defense, reflexes and speed at age of 29. What do you think ? He will need that. I am looking forward because whole elite of light middleweight are with PBC !! Hurd vs Charlo is something i wanna see. Im just watching this video, good to see fighter comentating his own fight:

[Counter-puncher]

Hurd talks about his keys to victory as the fight progresses:

"ok so here he punches me in the face, what was key here is it didn't hurt me and i kept on trucking forward..

yah, now this one, he's punching me in the face a couple of times, but it was key that I came through this and kept coming forward..

yah, another punch in the face, took it well though and kept coming forward..

this one, he punched me in the body, then punched me in the face, what was key was that i took it and kept coming forward..

yah, punch in the face. took it and kept coming forward.."

(nine rounds elapse)

"yah, he's still punching me in the face, see here though I get him back with one"

etc

[Cyclops]

He is a ginormous guy, a super-middle hiding out down two weight classes. All around light-middle to middleweight there seems to be fighters like this, and it seems to be a North American fighter thing: Canelo, the Charlos, Hurd, Chavez jnr when he was at middle. I don't know how they cut down so much but they do. I'd only read about his fight with Lara, where the consensus was that he was just too big for Erislandy (who don't forget handled the gargantuan Paul Williams- although Williams was more of a 'natural' tall and long giant rather than these weight drainer types who look like complete units) So I stayed up and watched him fight Julian Williams. It was fun to watch, but in terms of his game I don't remember much impressive except size and pressure. His defence was terrible, and if you're draining yourself like that eventually you have to move up and face somebody your own size and there's examples of that going horribly wrong for some fighters.

It says he's suspended indefinitely by the New York state commission... Is that a COVID thing or something?

[Cent0089]

He is a ginormous guy, a super-middle hiding out down two weight classes. All around light-middle to middleweight there seems to be fighters like this, and it seems to be a North American fighter thing: Canelo, the Charlos, Hurd, Chavez jnr when he was at middle. I don't know how they cut down so much but they do. I'd only read about his fight with Lara, where the consensus was that he was just too big for Erislandy (who don't forget handled the gargantuan Paul Williams- although Williams was more of a 'natural' tall and long giant rather than these weight drainer types who look like complete units) So I stayed up and watched him fight Julian Williams. It was fun to watch, but in terms of his game I don't remember much impressive except size and pressure. His defence was terrible, and if you're draining yourself like that eventually you have to move up and face somebody your own size and there's examples of that going horribly wrong for some fighters.

It says he's suspended indefinitely by the New York state commission... Is that a COVID thing or something?

People tent to consider tall guy automatically big. Jermall Charlo was much bigger than Hurd IMO. Julian Williams looked similar size in their fight. Anyway, there is no attractive fights in 160 for a PBC fighter so staying in 154 is best option.

[NateJR]

I see Hurd as this basic raw fighter and that's just who he is. His durability seems to be good, but as we already have seen, that will only get you so far when you're so basic defensively. There will be guys who will fold under his pressure, but I have a feeling, more times than not at the top level, he's going to take alot of big shots and with that comes a very short career.

I don't see Hurd winning many fights at the top level at 154 or above. I don't think he's the type of guy that will improve enough either. I mean other than him being a big durable guy, with good stamina and his ability to keep coming forward, he has way too many short comings to make a long stand on the top of what ever weight class he decides to fight at.

I think Hurd is a case of "what you see is what you get".

[Counter-puncher]

He is a ginormous guy, a super-middle hiding out down two weight classes. All around light-middle to middleweight there seems to be fighters like this, and it seems to be a North American fighter thing: Canelo, the Charlos, Hurd, Chavez jnr when he was at middle. I don't know how they cut down so much but they do. I'd only read about his fight with Lara, where the consensus was that he was just too big for Erislandy (who don't forget handled the gargantuan Paul Williams- although Williams was more of a 'natural' tall and long giant rather than these weight drainer types who look like complete units) So I stayed up and watched him fight Julian Williams. It was fun to watch, but in terms of his game I don't remember much impressive except size and pressure. His defence was terrible, and if you're draining yourself like that eventually you have to move up and face somebody your own size and there's examples of that going horribly wrong for some fighters.

It says he's suspended indefinitely by the New York state commission... Is that a COVID thing or something?

People tent to consider tall guy automatically big. Jermall Charlo was much bigger than Hurd IMO. Julian Williams looked similar size in their fight. Anyway, there is no attractive fights in 160 for a PBC fighter so staying in 154 is best option.

people also tend to consider people who are obviously huge and fvcken dwarf everyone in the ring next to them to be big, yes.

[Cent0089]

I see Hurd as this basic raw fighter and that's just who he is. His durability seems to be good, but as we already have seen, that will only get you so far when you're so basic defensively. There will be guys who will fold under his pressure, but I have a feeling, more times than not at the top level, he's going to take alot of big shots and with that comes a very short career.

I don't see Hurd winning many fights at the top level at 154 or above. I don't think he's the type of guy that will improve enough either. I mean other than him being a big durable guy, with good stamina and his ability to keep coming forward, he has way too many short comings to make a long stand on the top of what ever weight class he decides to fight at.

I think Hurd is a case of "what you see is what you get".

Still hoping hi can get some serious wins

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

No. He is what he is. Basically margarito without loaded wraps. Little quicker and little worse chin

[margaret thatcher]

Well I mean if a guy like Wilder is still improving at 35 or so, why not our boi Jarr?

[Thomastearns]

He is a ginormous guy, a super-middle hiding out down two weight classes. All around light-middle to middleweight there seems to be fighters like this, and it seems to be a North American fighter thing: Canelo, the Charlos, Hurd, Chavez jnr when he was at middle. I don't know how they cut down so much but they do. I'd only read about his fight with Lara, where the consensus was that he was just too big for Erislandy (who don't forget handled the gargantuan Paul Williams- although Williams was more of a 'natural' tall and long giant rather than these weight drainer types who look like complete units) So I stayed up and watched him fight Julian Williams. It was fun to watch, but in terms of his game I don't remember much impressive except size and pressure. His defence was terrible, and if you're draining yourself like that eventually you have to move up and face somebody your own size and there's examples of that going horribly wrong for some fighters.

It says he's suspended indefinitely by the New York state commission... Is that a COVID thing or something?

Yes, great post on a little discussed subject.

It's a tricky business this weight draining/ rehydration tactic as Lemieux has discovered. Others such as Canelo and Jacobs, not to mention Hurd himself have used it with success.

Get it right and you can enter the ring with a huge advantage against your opponent.

Get it wrong and you may end up in hospital.

Then there's the question of how best to (legally)do it, or even how long can your body take the stresses (see Canelo's dramatic upward weight swings since the dodgy Mexican beef), and the question whether it's actually worth doing at all.

The evidence suggests it isn't something you can do indefinitely. Especially if you were killing yourself making weight. In which case moving up makes sense despite the dangers of facing bigger more powerful opposition.

Moving up, looks like Jarrett Hurd is going to have to pick his opponents rather carefully in the future.

One fight at a time.

I wish him well.

He certainly brings the action.

[IKSRTFO]

On another note, I'd like to see the size difference between Hurd and Lubin. I think Lubin should be at welter and Hurd at middle or super middle.

[adislav123]

This ridiculous weight cutting of is more the rule than the 3xception.

Only placing the weigh in directly before the fight could change that shit.

An hour before the fight when 5he fighters change into their gear, weigh them.

Would mean an almost complete exchange/ switch of the rosters at least one by one upwards from minimum to cruiser. Barely any fighter would remain competing in the same weightclass as before.

But much healthier.

[Thomastearns]

This ridiculous weight cutting of is more the rule than the 3xception.

Only placing the weigh in directly before the fight could change that poo.

An hour before the fight when 5he fighters change into their gear, weigh them.

Would mean an almost complete exchange/ switch of the rosters at least one by one upwards from minimum to cruiser. Barely any fighter would remain competing in the same weightclass as before.

But much healthier.

Yes it would be healthier for the sport and many of the rosters would change, no doubt.
Unfortunately, it might not be healthier for some of the boxers who recklessly gamble with making the weight.

Weren't many of the previous fatalities/brain injuries in the days of sane day weighing attributed, at least partially, to drastic weight cutting?

There's far too many bad stories about boxers who had to sweat off weight just hours before the fight.

Under the current rules they now have more time to rehydrate. For better or worse, despite the weight hopping, the situation might be safer now.

On the other hand there are some, like Paul Magno who feel it might not be.

Interesting article here about same day weighing here.

Maybe it wasn't concern over the boxers health that provoked the rule change, maybe it was a concern for the networks (and everyone's else's) bank balance that triggered it.

http://archive.boxing.media/boxing_need ... h_ins.html

[Cent0089]

No news about his next fight? Showtime/PBC released solid fight schedule for rest of 2020 and my man Hurd isnt there :(

[brilo33]

jarrett hurd is an akward fighter liked him first time i see him, he will be hard to beat long rangey dont give much of himself to be hit , he can inprove his game, i think he needs to pressure fighters making them make mistakes, but he might not like getting hit, i reckon he should travelle why not