What are True Crossroads Fights?

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What are True Crossroads Fights?

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You often hear the term “crossroads fight” in the sport of boxing. The definition can be summed up as two fighter’s getting ready to square off against each other, with the winner moving on to bigger and better things, and the loser being derailed to a point where retirement may be the next option. A “crossroads fight” is often two veteran fighter’s who have built a good reputation for themselves over the years getting ready to make one final run to a title, or towards a big money fight.

By definition, these shouldn’t be title fights as one of the participants is already a champion and the other a contender ... and if they’re fighting for a vacant belt then they’re both in contention. Same for rising prospect vs. backsliding veteran —

Explore this topic. How many true crossroads showdowns we can find?
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You see the term tossed around a lot lately, because a lot of fights do fall under this term..

However, we've had some which leave fans a bit sad.. Sometimes, both are fan favourites, but one has to lose..
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I'll start..

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Mike Alvarado - 2014
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George Foreman vs. Jimmy Young - March 17 1977
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Ken Norton vs Jimmy Young. Initially it was the WBC eliminator. Both were top competitors of those time. Norton was awarded the belt some time after the fight, because Spinks had become a champ and decided to give Ali a rematch.

Larry Holmes vs Ray Mercer. The bout was for the opportunity to challenge Holyfield's champoinship. Mercer was a rising contender, Holmes was on the way back.

Riddick Bowe vs Pierre Coetzer. Both were seen as top contenders, another fight for the opportunity to challenge Holyfield's champoinship.

Evander Holyfield vs James Toney. Ageing Holyfield tried to bounce back, Toney was making himself a resume at the HW division.

Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte. The British derby of the two undefeated rising contenders.
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Michael Olajide v. Troy Darrell in 1987.
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Howard Davis vs meldryck taylor
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Good question....not sure I have the answers.

But Lennox Lewis v Gary Mason feels like one and which I followed closely.

They were both undefeated and riding high in the HW rankings...….and one of them was going to kick-on and get the title shots and battle the Americans. And one of them would need to rebuild or perhaps drop-out.

I always felt seeing off Mason was a very big deal for Lennox both in terms of being the boss man in Europe/UK and also getting in with a guy who had a winning record and a legitimate shout of beating him.

Lennox was already mature so a defeat then would have been a big setback....he did not have time to burn and neither was he someone the Brit fans had connected with fully, so a bad loss would have hurt his marketability/earning power.

Lewis won the fight (well and with something to spare) and the momentum of his career duly really kicked-on.
For Gary it was the beginning of the end.
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I first read the term in a boxing magazine article covering the Lyle-Bugner fight.

Later another magazine used it in an article covering Carl Williams - Bert Cooper.
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Roberto Duran vs Carlos Palomino.
Lennox Lewis vs Tommy Morrison.
Roberto Duran vs Pipino Cuevas.
Ruben Olivares vs a lot of featherweight boxers.
Jersey Joe Walcott vs Elmer Ray.
James Toney vs Montell Griffin I & II
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Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo I & II?
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Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 00:31 Howard Davis vs meldryck taylor
Perfect fight for this topic.
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Wilfredo Gomez-Rocky Lockridge
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AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 07:49 Wilfredo Gomez-Rocky Lockridge
Odd example.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 17:27
AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 07:49 Wilfredo Gomez-Rocky Lockridge
Odd example.
Not really..if Gomez lost, he'd retire. If Lockridge lost, he'd go back to just under radar status.

If Gomez won, possible fights with Camacho, Rosario and Chavez Sr. loomed ahead. Same for Lockridge.

As it turns out none of that happened except Gomez getting offers for Camacho and Chavez....but still.
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Usually it's a Prospect who's trying to take his first big step up to a contender or fringe contender with some name value, and he's in a position where he either wins this fight or he's no longer perceived as a prospect.

While the Contender or Fringe contender with name value whom he's going up against is in a must win or else become a stepping stone position.

Those are usually what crossroads fights look like.

Both guys can't afford to lose, for different reasons.
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AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 22:40
Onetimeonly wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 17:27
AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 07:49 Wilfredo Gomez-Rocky Lockridge
Odd example.
Not really..if Gomez lost, he'd retire. If Lockridge lost, he'd go back to just under radar status.

If Gomez won, possible fights with Camacho, Rosario and Chavez Sr. loomed ahead. Same for Lockridge.

As it turns out none of that happened except Gomez getting offers for Camacho and Chavez....but still.
You don't understand the question
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Onetimeonly wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 04:22
AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 22:40
Onetimeonly wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 17:27

Odd example.
Not really..if Gomez lost, he'd retire. If Lockridge lost, he'd go back to just under radar status.

If Gomez won, possible fights with Camacho, Rosario and Chavez Sr. loomed ahead. Same for Lockridge.

As it turns out none of that happened except Gomez getting offers for Camacho and Chavez....but still.
You don't understand the question
I probably don't..but in a way, every fight in boxing history has been a crossroads fight...as the ABBA song said, "winner gets it all"...lol
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AntonioMartin wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 07:21
Onetimeonly wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 04:22
AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Jul 2020, 22:40

Not really..if Gomez lost, he'd retire. If Lockridge lost, he'd go back to just under radar status.

If Gomez won, possible fights with Camacho, Rosario and Chavez Sr. loomed ahead. Same for Lockridge.

As it turns out none of that happened except Gomez getting offers for Camacho and Chavez....but still.
You don't understand the question
I probably don't..but in a way, every fight in boxing history has been a crossroads fight...as the ABBA song said, "winner gets it all"...lol
Dear god
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Tua v Oquendo Tyson v Ruddock. Lewis Holyfield 1.
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Klee Gluckman wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 04:35 Tua v Oquendo Tyson v Ruddock. Lewis Holyfield 1.
Lewis-Holyfield was a championship fight.
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gilgamesh wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 01:04 Usually it's a Prospect who's trying to take his first big step up to a contender or fringe contender with some name value, and he's in a position where he either wins this fight or he's no longer perceived as a prospect.

While the Contender or Fringe contender with name value whom he's going up against is in a must win or else become a stepping stone position.

Those are usually what crossroads fights look like.

Both guys can't afford to lose, for different reasons.
This is how I see it too. Mustafa Hamsho-Bobby Czyz springs to mind.

Nowadays there isn't so much jeopardy in crossroads fights as there are so many title opportunities. It seems a boxer is only one semi-decent win to be back in the picture after a loss - and alphabet ratings aren't a reflection of merit anyway and probably worse than ever.
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One for the future..

Ryan Garcia vs. Luke Campbell.
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gilgamesh wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 01:04 Usually it's a Prospect who's trying to take his first big step up to a contender or fringe contender with some name value, and he's in a position where he either wins this fight or he's no longer perceived as a prospect.

While the Contender or Fringe contender with name value whom he's going up against is in a must win or else become a stepping stone position.

Those are usually what crossroads fights look like.

Both guys can't afford to lose, for different reasons.
That’s how I see it, so I would consider Haye v Thompson in that category.
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Cholo_cws wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:05
gilgamesh wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 01:04 Usually it's a Prospect who's trying to take his first big step up to a contender or fringe contender with some name value, and he's in a position where he either wins this fight or he's no longer perceived as a prospect.

While the Contender or Fringe contender with name value whom he's going up against is in a must win or else become a stepping stone position.

Those are usually what crossroads fights look like.

Both guys can't afford to lose, for different reasons.
This is how I see it too. Mustafa Hamsho-Bobby Czyz springs to mind.

Nowadays there isn't so much jeopardy in crossroads fights as there are so many title opportunities. It seems a boxer is only one semi-decent win to be back in the picture after a loss - and alphabet ratings aren't a reflection of merit anyway and probably worse than ever.
Like Angulo beating Quillin for instance. Even though Angulo is shot to pieces, and we all know it. :lol:

He suddenly becomes eligible for a title shot, and any titleholder is eager to give it to him because he's a gimme.
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