Superfoot Wallace versus Thomas Hearns
Posted: 23 Jul 2020, 21:13
they did an exhibition against each other in 1987 at Florida. If they fought for real, who would have won if kicking was allowed but not mandatory for Hearns ?
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 00:25 Don't know enough about Wallace, but kicks are great at throwing boxers off their game---their sense of distancing is messed up, they are kept off balance more, the traditional boxing stance is more easily punished by low kicks, and consquently are struggling to get in range , to get their work rates going, and to punch as hard
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Wallace fought in 'full contact karate' style, no leg kicks, FWIW
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 03:40Dude your quote game needs some tweakingmargaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 00:25 Don't know enough about Wallace, but kicks are great at throwing boxers off their game---their sense of distancing is messed up, they are kept off balance more, the traditional boxing stance is more easily punished by low kicks, and consquently are struggling to get in range , to get their work rates going, and to punch as hard
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Wallace fought in 'full contact karate' style, no leg kicks, FWIW
It's a totally new experience for a boxer, totally different timing and angles, and the full contact guys can throw them really quickgoose 5 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:47 This exhibition only allowed kicking above the waist. I agree that leg kicks are a disaster for a boxer but I was surprised to read that Emanuel Steward stopped a previous sparring session between the 2 because Hearns was having difficulty blocking Wallace's high kicks.
how did you get to train with himSteveh583 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 11:49 There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard
I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:37how did you get to train with himSteveh583 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 11:49 There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard
Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possibleSteveh583 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2020, 15:05I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:37how did you get to train with himSteveh583 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 11:49 There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard
Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.
Good to hear Morrison is the real deal in his videos I’ve seen his ego seems huge!Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 08:47Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.
Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.
Gravitating towards a more holistic movement based training nowadays, it takes its toll. Getting tired of feeling like I've been run over.Wee Tommy wrote: ↑05 Aug 2020, 06:16Good to hear Morrison is the real deal in his videos I’ve seen his ego seems huge!Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 08:47Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.
Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.
Cheers for the info Steve as there’s a good few names there I’ve not even heard of, will have a check out later on![]()
Nice List.Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 08:47Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.
Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.
great fighterAngryGoon38 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:49Nice List.Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 08:47Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.
Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.
Dennis Alexio