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Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 03:05 What did Frazier weigh ?
220-225
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Yeah Frazier has him bang to rights stylewise, size, Fury hits you with a 250 pound jab, that punch will put you in your place.

Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 07:36

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 03:05 What did Frazier weigh ?
220-225
Styles
Yeah Frazier has him bang to rights stylewise, size, Fury hits you with a 250 pound jab, that punch will put you in your place.

Frazier was 230 lbs, it's around the same weight as Otto Wallin, who almost TKOed Fury via a very nasty cut.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 08:21

Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 07:36

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 03:05 What did Frazier weigh ?
220-225
Styles
Yeah Frazier has him bang to rights stylewise, size, Fury hits you with a 250 pound jab, that punch will put you in your place.

Frazier was 230 lbs, it's around the same weight as Otto Wallin, who almost TKOed Fury via a very nasty cut.

Wut? Frazier's normal fighting weight was around 200-205 ibs. He was 205, when he won Ali. He became bigger after that. He was 224 in Manila. He was 229, when he returned overweight from the retirement for a one fight vs Cummings.

Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 07:36

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 03:05 What did Frazier weigh ?
220-225
Styles
Yeah Frazier has him bang to rights stylewise, size, Fury hits you with a 250 pound jab, that punch will put you in your place.

Frazier was 230 lbs, it's around the same weight as Otto Wallin, who almost TKOed Fury via a very nasty cut.

Evander wrote: ↑01 Oct 2020, 19:43

Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 07:36

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 03:05 What did Frazier weigh ?
220-225
Styles
Yeah Frazier has him bang to rights stylewise, size, Fury hits you with a 250 pound jab, that punch will put you in your place.

Frazier was 230 lbs, it's around the same weight as Otto Wallin, who almost TKOed Fury via a very nasty cut.

It always a touch call when a lighter Heavyweight is compared to a big Heavyweight.
Almost seems impossible to say anything bad about Joe Frazier, however the weight disparity between Tyson and himself would probably be too much even for Joe.
Doesn't mean Joe is not remembered as a top level Heavyweight because he is in my book, but if one boxer outweighs another by as much as 30, 40 or 50 pounds it's going to be a hard nights work.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 10:09 Take a look at how unimpressive Fury has been against opponents where he has a huge weight advantage. Against guys not even remotely as good as Frazier.
Frazier's pressure and power would be too much. Fury has never had to deal with anything like that. Frazier by stoppage in the 8-10 round range.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:30

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 10:09 Take a look at how unimpressive Fury has been against opponents where he has a huge weight advantage. Against guys not even remotely as good as Frazier.
Frazier's pressure and power would be too much. Fury has never had to deal with anything like that. Frazier by stoppage in the 8-10 round range.

Were any of these guys 5'11 and 205 pounds? Generally Fury has not had an 8 inch height advantage and 50 pound weight advantage over even his smaller opponents. Otto Wallin for example is smaller than Fury but still way bigger than Frazier.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:30

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 10:09 Take a look at how unimpressive Fury has been against opponents where he has a huge weight advantage. Against guys not even remotely as good as Frazier.
Frazier's pressure and power would be too much. Fury has never had to deal with anything like that. Frazier by stoppage in the 8-10 round range.

Were any of these guys 5'11 and 205 pounds? Generally Fury has not had an 8 inch height advantage and 50 pound weight advantage over even his smaller opponents. Otto Wallin for example is smaller than Fury but still way bigger than Frazier.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 17:02

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:30

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 10:09 Take a look at how unimpressive Fury has been against opponents where he has a huge weight advantage. Against guys not even remotely as good as Frazier.
Frazier's pressure and power would be too much. Fury has never had to deal with anything like that. Frazier by stoppage in the 8-10 round range.

Were any of these guys 5'11 and 205 pounds? Generally Fury has not had an 8 inch height advantage and 50 pound weight advantage over even his smaller opponents. Otto Wallin for example is smaller than Fury but still way bigger than Frazier.

No, so what?
Cunningham was a no-name who weighed 210. Gave Fury way too much trouble. Draw with Wilder who weighed 212.
Look at Frazier's fight against Ali, who was better than Fury in just about every way. He stopped Mathis, who was almost as fat as Fury.
Take a look at what has happened historically when a great fighter around Frazier's size fights someone much bigger. In real life, the smaller great fighter usually wins.
But in mythical fights, the heavier guy always has a "weight " advantage". In real life, the scale doesn't help you once the bell rings.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2020, 08:47

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 17:02

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:30

Were any of these guys 5'11 and 205 pounds? Generally Fury has not had an 8 inch height advantage and 50 pound weight advantage over even his smaller opponents. Otto Wallin for example is smaller than Fury but still way bigger than Frazier.

No, so what?
Cunningham was a no-name who weighed 210. Gave Fury way too much trouble. Draw with Wilder who weighed 212.
Look at Frazier's fight against Ali, who was better than Fury in just about every way. He stopped Mathis, who was almost as fat as Fury.
Take a look at what has happened historically when a great fighter around Frazier's size fights someone much bigger. In real life, the smaller great fighter usually wins.
But in mythical fights, the heavier guy always has a "weight " advantage". In real life, the scale doesn't help you once the bell rings.

I don't think we can draw many conclusions based on what happened in earlier eras.

Bob Fitzsimmons won the heavyweight title and was smaller than todays middleweights. Are we supposed to infer that we don't need a middleweight division and that everyone above 147 should fight each other? I don't think the Charlo brothers, Alvarez, etc would be thrilled about having to fight the top heavyweights in the world. So there would seem to be a flaw in your line of logic. Hearns is roughly the same size as Fitzsimmons, actually slightly bigger and rated by many as a far better fighter. That doesn't mean we can infer he could replicate Fitzsimmons success at heavyweight unless your of the opinion that Hearns could beat Tyson, Holmes, Witherspoon, etc.

I think the Cunningham fight is being vastly overstated as a negative by you. He was dropped but got up and proceeded to stop Cunningham. With Wilder, Fury was facing a tall rangy opponent who nearly matched him in height and reach. That wouldn't be the case with Frazier which could make it far easier for Fury to avoid punches. Fury seems fairly adept at using his size and mobility to avoid getting ht by shorter opponents.