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A few questions:

• Has Jermell Charlo done enough to be classed amongst the top-ten pound-for-pounders?

• Has Jermell Charlo already cleared out the 154lbs divisions, due to the fighters he’s beaten holding victories over the other top-ten light middleweights?

• Are there any more decent bouts for him if he remains at 154lbs?

Personally, in terms of accomplishments, I think he’s done enough to replace Artur Beterbiev or Tyson Fury (depending on whether you’re looking at The RING or ESPN’s pound-for-pound ratings).

And also, if we review the landscape at 154lbs:

• Jermell Charlo has beaten Jeison Rosario, Tony Harrison & Erickson Lubin. He also holds the WBC, WBA super, IBF & Ring championships. He has competed in six world title bouts, with four of his fights against former or current world champions.

• Jeison Rosario defeated Julian Williams.

• Julian Williams defeated Jarrett Hurd.

• Jarrett Hurd defeated Tony Harrison and Erislandy Lara, with the Cuban fortunate to gain a draw in his highly-competitive bout against Brian Carlos Castano.

• Michel Soro lost his bout against Brian Carlos Castano.

A decent analogy would be a daisy-chain of resumes, whereby Jermell has either beaten or proven himself better than the vast majority of his 154lbs peers (by being the man that beat the man).

I can't imagine Jermall Charlo trying to gain Patrick Teixeira's WBO title, because the PBC generally doesn't recognise that organisation, nobody knows who he is, he is a GBP fighter and Teixeira will likely become an opponent for Terence Crawford in the near future.

So I don’t see any reason for Jermell Charlo to remain at 154lbs, without his career treading water.

Thoughts?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 06:28 Personally, in terms of accomplishments, I think he’s done enough to replace Artur Beterbiev or Tyson Fury (depending on whether you’re looking at The RING or ESPN’s pound-for-pound ratings).

guys a bit of a cock on the tv or was that the other one ..

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 07:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 06:28 Personally, in terms of accomplishments, I think he’s done enough to replace Artur Beterbiev or Tyson Fury (depending on whether you’re looking at The RING or ESPN’s pound-for-pound ratings).

What's so funny about my quote? Have you even reviewed Beterbiev's and Fury's accomplishments?

We're not talking about hype, reputation or in-ring ability here, I mentioned "accomplishments". Read my quote again and digest my words.

Please enlighten me and let me in on the so-called "joke."

stevec@france wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 07:59 guys a bit of a cock on the tv or was that the other one ..

I personally thought Jermall was more cocky than Jermell, but they're both capable of engaging in trash talk.

He has some good wins. I dont agree but i think the argument he is as deserving as beterbiev can be made seeing as how beterbiev has the better singular win but not as many quality wins as charlo

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 06:28 A few questions:

• Has Jermell Charlo done enough to be classed amongst the top-ten pound-for-pounders?

• Has Jermell Charlo already cleared out the 154lbs divisions, due to the fighters he’s beaten holding victories over the other top-ten light middleweights?

• Are there any more decent bouts for him if he remains at 154lbs?

1: He is not top 10 p4p IMO, maybe top 20.
2: He is clear number 1 in 154 lbs, but there is a lot of fights to be made and lot of oponents waiting for him. So he is top light middleweight but he hasnt cleared division.
3: Castano, Lara, Soro and few prospect waiting

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 08:22

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 07:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 06:28 Personally, in terms of accomplishments, I think he’s done enough to replace Artur Beterbiev or Tyson Fury (depending on whether you’re looking at The RING or ESPN’s pound-for-pound ratings).

What's so funny about my quote? Have you even reviewed Beterbiev's and Fury's accomplishments?

We're not talking about hype, reputation or in-ring ability here, I mentioned "accomplishments". Read my quote again and digest my words.

Please enlighten me and let me in on the so-called "joke."

Give a definition of an accomplishment first.

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 08:22

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 07:30

What's so funny about my quote? Have you even reviewed Beterbiev's and Fury's accomplishments?

We're not talking about hype, reputation or in-ring ability here, I mentioned "accomplishments". Read my quote again and digest my words.

Please enlighten me and let me in on the so-called "joke."

Give a definition of an accomplishment first.

Nope. You explain your logic.

If you’re going to criticise, you can at least explain the reason for your criticism.

Depending on what you write, I may or may not agree with you, but to mock without explanation (like you have done) is simply rude.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:16

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 08:22
What's so funny about my quote? Have you even reviewed Beterbiev's and Fury's accomplishments?

We're not talking about hype, reputation or in-ring ability here, I mentioned "accomplishments". Read my quote again and digest my words.

Please enlighten me and let me in on the so-called "joke."

Give a definition of an accomplishment first.

Nope. You explain your logic.

If you’re going to criticise, you can at least explain the reason for your criticism.

Depending on what you write, I may or may not agree with you, but to mock without explanation (like you have done) is simply rude.

Oh, don't cry, boy.

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:20

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:16

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:01

Give a definition of an accomplishment first.

Nope. You explain your logic.

If you’re going to criticise, you can at least explain the reason for your criticism.

Depending on what you write, I may or may not agree with you, but to mock without explanation (like you have done) is simply rude.

Oh, don't cry, boy.

So in other words, you don't even have a valid reason for your criticism? Is it because you regret what you wrote?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:20

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 10:16
Nope. You explain your logic.

If you’re going to criticise, you can at least explain the reason for your criticism.

Depending on what you write, I may or may not agree with you, but to mock without explanation (like you have done) is simply rude.

Oh, don't cry, boy.

So in other words, you don't even have a valid reason for your criticism? Is it because you regret what you wrote?

EO's "other words" = EO's wet dreams.

PBC! PBC! PBC!

Ya, Mell is a really good fighter for sure. A knock on him might be that he doesnt really have a big standout win. He has accuulated a lot of solid wins though and is obviously very good

Jaime Munguia vs. Jermell Charlo?
Munguia's fought from 153-159 the last few years.

Mell would beat that kid silly, but could be fun

on the one hand there are better hypothetical fights at 160, on the other how many would even happen with the promotional divides? his bro moved up a while ago and really hasnt gotten much of note up there....sergey isnt exactly a big fight

castano is fighting ffor the wbo and i think will win, and he has pbc ties, so an undsputed fight could happen at 154 i guess

He should sit tight and clean up 154 further and wait for spence and porter to move up. If weight isnt an issue; there isnt much at 160. Ggg is about done and canelo and jacobs already moved up

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 09:29 He has some good wins. I dont agree but i think the argument he is as deserving as beterbiev can be made seeing as how beterbiev has the better singular win but not as many quality wins as charlo

ONE win can't be the qualifier. There is a argument for Charlo overall resume is better and can be considered in higher P4P rankings. That a valid discussion.

One win can be the difference sometimes, depends on the case, but you gotta look at everything

Cloud, campillo, gvod

Vs

Harrison, trout, rosario

Gvod is the best more accomplished fighter out of that group. It was a lineal title win too. Plus beterbiev hasnt lost

You could argue it either way of who is more deserving there is no right answer

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:13 Cloud, campillo, gvod

Vs

Harrison, trout, rosario

Gvod is the best more accomplished fighter out of that group. It was a lineal title win too. Plus beterbiev hasnt lost

You could argue it either way of who is more deserving there is no right answer

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:21

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:13 Cloud, campillo, gvod

Vs

Harrison, trout, rosario

Gvod is the best more accomplished fighter out of that group. It was a lineal title win too. Plus beterbiev hasnt lost

You could argue it either way of who is more deserving there is no right answer

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

No not top 10 just as Tyson Fury isn’t, far more deserving from fighters out there.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:26

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:21

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:13 Cloud, campillo, gvod

Vs

Harrison, trout, rosario

Gvod is the best more accomplished fighter out of that group. It was a lineal title win too. Plus beterbiev hasnt lost

You could argue it either way of who is more deserving there is no right answer

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

Do you think it's actually debatable then

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:21

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:13 Cloud, campillo, gvod

Vs

Harrison, trout, rosario

Gvod is the best more accomplished fighter out of that group. It was a lineal title win too. Plus beterbiev hasnt lost

You could argue it either way of who is more deserving there is no right answer

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

Id put a guy like vanes as the same level as callum Johnson and hot rod. And charlo didnt exactly wow against vanes that could have went either way

I forgot charlo beat alcine

I thought he beat harrison. But he didnt officially and i dont think it was a ludicrous robbery