The most frequent robbery victims

[DrDuke]

Pernell Whitaker had arguably never been defeated in his prime. His losses to Jose Luis Ramirez and Oscar De La Hoya are highly disputed and a draw against Julio Cesar Chavez is universally recognized as a robbery.

Fres Oquendo always was a victim of his B-side status. He controversially lost to Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield, James Toney, Jean-Marc Mormeck, Oliver McCall and Ruslan Chagaev.

What other examples can you name?

[Onetimeonly]

Jesse Burnett. Conteh and spinks
were appalling with a few more. Really good fighter, brutally managed.

[gilgamesh]

I mean if you're just talking about sheer numbers I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those journeymen with with 100+ losses probably should've got the nod at least 20 or 30 more times than they did. Not having seen the fights, I doubt it, but just knowing what I know about the way those fights go down and are arranged I wouldn't doubt at all that the scores are already basically written down before the fight starts.

In recent times Badou Jack has been a particularly hard luck fighter, but it's partially his own fault as he makes every fight hard and closely contested, but I think he's won a fair few of the ones that he didn't get.

[Counter-puncher]

Lockridge

[Onamastus]

Glengoffee Johnson in his day, although it will be hard to top Burnett

[margaret thatcher]

With a lot of these b-side guys, many of the decisions that went against them weren't legit robberies, but really close fights that could have gone either way. when you look at how the decisions went on balance, it is obvious they were disadvantaged by the b-side status, because the decisions really shoulda gone 50-50ish if truly fair, but the single results themselves werent really all that egregious

For guys like Oquendo and Johnson, most their decision losses (at least before johnson was shot and clearly losing fights) were like this....though Oquendo did get hosed vs Byrd i thought

[DrDuke]

For guys like Oquendo and Johnson, most their decision losses (at least before johnson was shot and clearly losing fights) were like this....though Oquendo did get hosed vs Byrd i thought

I remember having Oquendo over Byrd and having Holyfield winning Oquendo by 1 point because of a KD. I've recently scored Toney-Oquendo fight, I had Oquendo 116-111 there, a clear robbery.

[gilgamesh]

With a lot of these b-side guys, many of the decisions that went against them weren't legit robberies, but really close fights that could have gone either way. when you look at how the decisions went on balance, it is obvious they were disadvantaged by the b-side status, because the decisions really shoulda gone 50-50ish if truly fair, but the single results themselves werent really all that egregious

For guys like Oquendo and Johnson, most their decision losses (at least before johnson was shot and clearly losing fights) were like this....though Oquendo did get hosed vs Byrd i thought

Emanuel Augustus probably has a good fair few robberies against him too.

Anytime you're not the star of the promotion, you gotta win VERY convincingly to get the nod. If it's close and could go either way. Guess what, it probably ain't going your way.

Sometimes it don't even matter how clear it is. Nothing short of a KO will get it for you.

[Seamus]

Kid Gavilan.

[AntonioMartin]

Wilfredo Rivera 2 times vs Whitaker...

Castillo 2 times against Mayweather..

Those are the only two people I can think I considered were robbed twice on my watch.

But as others say I havent seen many of the 100+ loss boxers and also I missed many b-level fights like Byrd-Oquendo...

As far as Whitaker yes he got robbed badly against Ramirez and Chavez, and the De La Hoya fight was very close, but he got make-up decisions against Rivera and the first McGuirt fight was a close decision which went his way.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lockridge

Lockridge is an interesting case. I would only call the Gomez fight a robbery. However, he he also lost close decisions to Chavez, and Pedroza twice. I thought Chavez deserved the decision, though arguable. Thought he beat Pedroza both times, but close, not really "robberies".
It's hard to think of many guys whose reputation suffered so much from decisions that he didn't get. He wins one of those decision, he is probably in the Hall of Fame. Two and he's an all time great. Three, and people would have him close to the top 10.
He also lost a close decision in the first Lopez fight that he probably should have got.

Gavilan was mentioned. There probably are some old timers who had a ton of fights who got ripped off several times. You almost have to be fighting that often.

[Counter-puncher]

Lockridge

Lockridge is an interesting case. I would only call the Gomez fight a robbery. However, he he also lost close decisions to Chavez, and Pedroza twice. I thought Chavez deserved the decision, though arguable. Thought he beat Pedroza both times, but close, not really "robberies".
It's hard to think of many guys whose reputation suffered so much from decisions that he didn't get. He wins one of those decision, he is probably in the Hall of Fame. Two and he's an all time great. Three, and people would have him close to the top 10.
He also lost a close decision in the first Lopez fight that he probably should have got.

Gavilan was mentioned. There probably are some old timers who had a ton of fights who got ripped off several times. You almost have to be fighting that often.

yeah of course you're right and 'robbery' is too strong for Lockridge in any individual fight; the perception is there, I think, simply because in so many close fights and close decisions, one might have thought Lockridge would get the decision in at least one or two of them, and not doing so leads to the perception of a 'career robbery', so to say.

[Onetimeonly]

Lockridge

Lockridge is an interesting case. I would only call the Gomez fight a robbery. However, he he also lost close decisions to Chavez, and Pedroza twice. I thought Chavez deserved the decision, though arguable. Thought he beat Pedroza both times, but close, not really "robberies".
It's hard to think of many guys whose reputation suffered so much from decisions that he didn't get. He wins one of those decision, he is probably in the Hall of Fame. Two and he's an all time great. Three, and people would have him close to the top 10.
He also lost a close decision in the first Lopez fight that he probably should have got.

Gavilan was mentioned. There probably are some old timers who had a ton of fights who got ripped off several times. You almost have to be fighting that often.

yeah of course you're right and 'robbery' is too strong for Lockridge in any individual fight; the perception is there, I think, simply because in so many close fights and close decisions, one might have thought Lockridge would get the decision in at least one or two of them, and not doing so leads to the perception of a 'career robbery', so to say.

He was robbed against Gomez.

[elmersalsa]

Lockridge

Lockridge is an interesting case. I would only call the Gomez fight a robbery. However, he he also lost close decisions to Chavez, and Pedroza twice. I thought Chavez deserved the decision, though arguable. Thought he beat Pedroza both times, but close, not really "robberies".
It's hard to think of many guys whose reputation suffered so much from decisions that he didn't get. He wins one of those decision, he is probably in the Hall of Fame. Two and he's an all time great. Three, and people would have him close to the top 10.
He also lost a close decision in the first Lopez fight that he probably should have got.

Gavilan was mentioned. There probably are some old timers who had a ton of fights who got ripped off several times. You almost have to be fighting that often.

Pedroza beat him outright twice. It were the right decisions.

[Perseus]

With a lot of these b-side guys, many of the decisions that went against them weren't legit robberies, but really close fights that could have gone either way. when you look at how the decisions went on balance, it is obvious they were disadvantaged by the b-side status, because the decisions really shoulda gone 50-50ish if truly fair, but the single results themselves werent really all that egregious

For guys like Oquendo and Johnson, most their decision losses (at least before johnson was shot and clearly losing fights) were like this....though Oquendo did get hosed vs Byrd i thought

More often than not these so called robberies were close fights that reasonably could be scored for either fighter.
Too many people cry robbery any time a close decision doesn't go to the fighter they were rooting for.
In a close fight the losing fighter will always feel like he should have got the decision as will some of the fans.
That doesn't make it a robbery.

[JxhDel.]

Nowadays, Adrian Granados. Guy fights teeth and nails, pressures the heck out of some opponents, and gets the usual SD defeat.

[slappy]

Pernell Whitaker had arguably never been defeated in his prime. His losses to Jose Luis Ramirez and Oscar De La Hoya are highly disputed and a draw against Julio Cesar Chavez is universally recognized as a robbery.

Fres Oquendo always was a victim of his B-side status. He controversially lost to Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield, James Toney, Jean-Marc Mormeck, Oliver McCall and Ruslan Chagaev.

What other examples can you name?

Yeah, and it's not just the fact of a bad decision but the legacy impact. Wins of JCC and DLH would have burnished an already stellar legacy.

He deserved those.

[margaret thatcher]

He obviously deserved the JCC and Ramirez fights, I thought Oscar coulda gone either way tbh though he was already past his best then

[saliman]

Firat Arslan in my opinion was robbed against Alexander Alexeev for EBU and in the first fight against Marco Huck for WBO. He also won on my scorecard against Yoan Pablo Hernandez for IBF. I feel bad for him that he didn't get any of these belts during his crazy good run as a 42-44 year old cruiser.

Axel Schulz robbed against George Foreman, then robbed against Frans Botha in his home country and then he loses a close decision against Michael Moorer also in his home country. Maybe the last one wasn't a robbery, but damn he was a very unfortunate fighter. He didn't even win EBU as he had a loss and a draw against Henry Akinwande in Germany. German judging didn't work for this guy.

[Bodyshot3]

Some of the fighters who did the stinky German thing in the 1990s and early 2000s.

The Aussie Danny Green arguably beat Beyer twice over for the WBC in Germany.

He beat the hell out of Beyer in the first fight only to be disqualified for a very iffy headbutt call by the ref and the second fight which was a MD could easily have been a draw.

Schulz also had a bad run......but not against Akinwande, he was lucky first time round.

[bwu]

Judging from press accounts, Billy Graham suffered some tough ones, particularly against Kid Gavilan and Joey Giardello.

[bwu]

Floyd Patterson. You can argue that he was jobbed against Joey Maxim, Jimmy Ellis and twice against Jerry Quarry.

[AntonioMartin]

Pernell Whitaker had arguably never been defeated in his prime. His losses to Jose Luis Ramirez and Oscar De La Hoya are highly disputed and a draw against Julio Cesar Chavez is universally recognized as a robbery.

Fres Oquendo always was a victim of his B-side status. He controversially lost to Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield, James Toney, Jean-Marc Mormeck, Oliver McCall and Ruslan Chagaev.

What other examples can you name?

Yeah, and it's not just the fact of a bad decision but the legacy impact. Wins of JCC and DLH would have burnished an already stellar legacy.

He deserved those.

He did get to make up wins in the two Rivera fights. Even HBO had Rivera winning the first bout and the second one, minus a low blow and a knockdown would have been won by Rivera...so it evens out, even as he did deserve the wins versus Chavez and Ramirez I and I do think those are among the worst robberies in history, Chavez i think is the worst I've seen. But again, he got two "make up for" wins in Rivera...two robberies against him, two his way.

[Perseus]

Some of the fighters who did the stinky German thing in the 1990s and early 2000s.

The Aussie Danny Green arguably beat Beyer twice over for the WBC in Germany.

He beat the hell out of Beyer in the first fight only to be disqualified for a very iffy headbutt call by the ref and the second fight which was a MD could easily have been a draw.

Schulz also had a bad run......but not against Akinwande, he was lucky first time round.

Very iffy headbutt????

No.
Multiple, clearly intentional headbutts.
At least four intentional headbutts, one of which he had actually held Beyer by his shoulders so he could ram his head into him.
Green was easily winning, had dropped Beyer, opened a very bad cut but just would not stop the headbutts.
Green absolutely earned that DQ...........in a fight he was winning wide.
The second fight was very close but not a robbery. Green started slow, had a late charge but came up a little short in a close fight.

[p4p1]

Some of the fighters who did the stinky German thing in the 1990s and early 2000s.

The Aussie Danny Green arguably beat Beyer twice over for the WBC in Germany.

He beat the hell out of Beyer in the first fight only to be disqualified for a very iffy headbutt call by the ref and the second fight which was a MD could easily have been a draw.

Schulz also had a bad run......but not against Akinwande, he was lucky first time round.

I suggest you watch the fight again if you think it was iffy. He held him in position and drove his head into Beyer. As posted above me, you can clearly see multiple intentional headbutts from Green. The cut was already there, I don’t think the cut was worsened by the final headbutt. But he deserved to lose for his own stupidity.

He also got a gift against Mundine. Which I guess kind of evens things up.