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Andrew Golota.

Give Big Daddy Bowe brain damage two fights. Andrew win both fights. Ref can't disqualify Andrew. Andrew winning. This bullshit. Who really win???

Then Andrew beat Byrd and Ruiz Huggy Bear. Judges rip off Golota.

Grant fight Andrew win. Ref misunderstand and call fight off.

Mafia tells him to throw Lewis and Tyson fight.

Andrew could have been great.

Not even close.

He was good, and with a better head on his shoulders he could've went further, but hell no he ain't the best Heavyweight to never win a title.

No, he was mentally fragile. That’s why, for example, he couldn’t beat Bowe.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:54 Not even close.

He was good, and with a better head on his shoulders he could've went further, but hell no he ain't the best Heavyweight to never win a title.

Give us a name then?

Noxy wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:58 No, he was mentally fragile. That’s why, for example, he couldn’t beat Bowe.

He gave Bowe slurr speech.

How do you know that? How is it relevant anyway?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:00

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:54 Not even close.

He was good, and with a better head on his shoulders he could've went further, but hell no he ain't the best Heavyweight to never win a title.

Give us a name then?

David Tua, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Sam Langford, George Godfrey, Harry Wills.

Noxy wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:02 How do you know that? How is it relevant anyway?

Andrew beat Big Daddy so bad he can't speak. Are you Riddick relative or something?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:03

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:00

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:54 Not even close.

He was good, and with a better head on his shoulders he could've went further, but hell no he ain't the best Heavyweight to never win a title.

Give us a name then?

David Tua, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Sam Langford, George Godfrey, Harry Wills.

I'd say, definitely not Tua, Shavers, Langford or Godfrey.

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:03

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:00

Give us a name then?

David Tua, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Sam Langford, George Godfrey, Harry Wills.

I'd say, definitely not Tua, Shavers, Langford or Godfrey.

Based on what?

Shavers has a KO 1 victory over Ken Norton. Does Golota have any win that good?

Tua has a KO 1 victory over John Ruiz, and Michael Moorer. He stopped David Izon, and Fres Oquendo.

Langford is one of the all greatest fighters, and beat several noteworthy Heavyweights in his era.

Godfrey is the one case where you might be right.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:03

David Tua, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Sam Langford, George Godfrey, Harry Wills.

I'd say, definitely not Tua, Shavers, Langford or Godfrey.

Based on what?

Shavers has a KO 1 victory over Ken Norton. Does Golota have any win that good?

Tua has a KO 1 victory over John Ruiz, and Michael Moorer. He stopped David Izon, and Fres Oquendo.

Langford is one of the all greatest fighters, and beat several noteworthy Heavyweights in his era.

Godfrey is the one case where you might be right.

Just the others you mentioned were better.

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:09

I'd say, definitely not Tua, Shavers, Langford or Godfrey.

Based on what?

Shavers has a KO 1 victory over Ken Norton. Does Golota have any win that good?

Tua has a KO 1 victory over John Ruiz, and Michael Moorer. He stopped David Izon, and Fres Oquendo.

Langford is one of the all greatest fighters, and beat several noteworthy Heavyweights in his era.

Godfrey is the one case where you might be right.

Just the others you mentioned were better.

How is Golota better than Shavers, Tua or Langford? What accolades does he have to his credit to make that case?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:19

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14

Based on what?

Shavers has a KO 1 victory over Ken Norton. Does Golota have any win that good?

Tua has a KO 1 victory over John Ruiz, and Michael Moorer. He stopped David Izon, and Fres Oquendo.

Langford is one of the all greatest fighters, and beat several noteworthy Heavyweights in his era.

Godfrey is the one case where you might be right.

Just the others you mentioned were better.

How is Golota better than Shavers, Tua or Langford? What accolades does he have to his credit to make that case?

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:19

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:18

Just the others you mentioned were better.

How is Golota better than Shavers, Tua or Langford? What accolades does he have to his credit to make that case?

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:19

How is Golota better than Shavers, Tua or Langford? What accolades does he have to his credit to make that case?

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

Andrew beat Byrd, Ruiz and Bowe twice. That's 4 big wins over champoons.

vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:26

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:22

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

Andrew beat Byrd, Ruiz and Bowe twice. That's 4 big wins over champoons.

He's 0-3-1 in those bouts genius.

Though I did believe he deserved the win over Ruiz.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:19

How is Golota better than Shavers, Tua or Langford? What accolades does he have to his credit to make that case?

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

And I picked out of them those ones, who were clearly better case. I wasn't aiming to sort out the remaining ones, just definitely not them.

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:22

I was talking about the others you mentioned. Golota wasn't mentioned there by you.

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

And I picked out of them those ones, who were clearly better case. I wasn't aiming to sort out the remaining ones, just definitely not them.

All of 'em I mentioned save for maybe Godfrey definitely had a better case.

Tua has 2 KO wins over Former or Future Heavyweight Titleholders. He went the distance with Lennox Lewis, while Golota was wrecked in 1.

Hard to imagine Tua not beating Golota. Head to head.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:28

vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:26

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

Andrew beat Byrd, Ruiz and Bowe twice. That's 4 big wins over champoons.

He's 0-3-1 in those bouts genius.

Though I did believe he deserved the win over Ruiz.

Who won those fights really? Andrew get bad calls because hes from Eastern Block country.

Bowe on ground bad many times in fights. Andrew beat him up. Really won.

And he was winning vers Grant. Just needed to finish match.

vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:32

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:28

vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:26
Andrew beat Byrd, Ruiz and Bowe twice. That's 4 big wins over champoons.

He's 0-3-1 in those bouts genius.

Though I did believe he deserved the win over Ruiz.

Who won those fights really? Andrew get bad calls because hes from Eastern Block country.

Bowe on ground bad many times in fights. Andrew beat him up. Really won.

And he was winning vers Grant. Just needed to finish match.

So you believe Andrew should've just been allowed to low blow indefinitely without punishment?

What did he land like 10 or 12 low blows over the course of them fights?

Was winning vs Grant indeed, and then he quit because he was tired.

He didn't have it in him to win when things got tough.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:32

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:24

I was mentioning those guys as having a better case than Golota. I wasn't nominating each of them as the best Non Champion.

And I picked out of them those ones, who were clearly better case. I wasn't aiming to sort out the remaining ones, just definitely not them.

All of 'em I mentioned save for maybe Godfrey definitely had a better case.

Tua has 2 KO wins over Former or Future Heavyweight Titleholders. He went the distance with Lennox Lewis, while Golota was wrecked in 1.

Hard to imagine Tua not beating Golota. Head to head.

If to compare Tua with Golota, yes, Tua's claim is better.

Have to say, :Povetkin deserves a mention as best HW non-champion.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 13:37 Have to say, :Povetkin deserves a mention as best HW non-champion.

If you don't count alphabet titles, then yes he'd be in the conversation. He was a WBA Champion though. Twice I think.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 13:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 13:37 Have to say, :Povetkin deserves a mention as best HW non-champion.

If you don't count alphabet titles, then yes he'd be in the conversation. He was a WBA Champion though. Twice I think.

I don't count belts where there is a more substantial belt available. Regular belt...LMFAO! I can't stand that, but that's a discussion for other threads.

If Gerry Cooney had fought Mike Weaver instead he won the WBA title

Nino Valdes, Joe Baksi, Larry Gains (beat Primo Carnera and KO'd Max Schemeling...) and in the lighter weights, I could be all day naming them Howard Davis, Bernard Taylor (he was mustard) Johnny Clark, Dave Sands etc etc.

Golota was a good fighter but he would mentally give up, like when he fought Mike Tyson - didn't he get done for impersonating a police officer in the Illinois countryside?