BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Pulev

[aicheligad]

Current list:

1. Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Alexander Povetkin - 36(25) 2(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Dillian Whyte - 27(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

9. Joseph Parker - 27(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Joe Joyce - 12(11) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Luis Ortiz - 32(27) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 10(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Agit Kabayel - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

Question: How are the rankings affected by Anthony Joshua's KO 9 win over Kubrat Pulev?

My vote: no chagne.

I have won 800$ on this event, I have a good streak since the Povetkin vs Whyte fight

[oogiebe]

No change. I had AJ number three, but at two makes sense.

[Finkel]

One minor thing before the vote gets going, shouldn't you included Hughie against Wach on this?
I could be wrong, but I believe they were ranked higher than Yoka against Hammer, which we did vote on...

Hughie Vs Wach was actually a good performance by Hughie
Yoka Vs Hammer was not a convincing performance by Yoka.

Anyway, based on Joshua v Pulev
I put Joshua at 2

Pulev did enough to show me he deserved to be in the top 10, but I'll knock him down one place to reflect him getting dropped 4 times.
Pulev to 11


p.s. I don't think Hughie enters the top 15 just yet anyway

[margaret thatcher]

No change. I had AJ number three, but at two makes sense.

you had him 2 didn't you?

Hey! I want it. Didn't know someone rekindled my fav thread! Thanks!

1, Tyson Fury
2, Anthony Joshua
3, wilder
4, pov
5, Usyk
6, Ruiz
7, ortiz
8, whyte
9, Parker
10,hunter
11, Rivas
12, Pulev
13, Dubois
14, Joyce
15, Chisora
Fast list. Just want to get back in.

[margaret thatcher]

no change aj
pulev down to 12 more out of not doing much lately than for the aj loss

hughie not in, just on the same card i think bakole has as good an argument, wouldnt include either yet

[oogiebe]

No change. I had AJ number three, but at two makes sense.

you had him 2 didn't you?

Hey! I want it. Didn't know someone rekindled my fav thread! Thanks!

1, Tyson Fury
2, Anthony Joshua
3, wilder
4, pov
5, Usyk
6, Ruiz
7, ortiz
8, whyte
9, Parker
10,hunter
11, Rivas
12, Pulev
13, Dubois
14, Joyce
15, Chisora
Fast list. Just want to get back in.

Forgot about the 'fast list.' Ok, so I had it right back then. Go figure!

[margaret thatcher]

ya josh is defo #2 right now, don't really see the case for wilder or anyone else but fury being ahead

[Pukka Cheese]

Pulev down 1 place to #11.

[Heretic]

I don't think this fight gave us any new info.

AJ did what he was supposed to do to the almost 40 years old Pulev.

MY vote. No changes.

If any of the up and comers beat Pulev they should get lot of respect and good ranking for it.

I think Yoka fight got an vote because Youka got quite many votes in the original ranking. I think he ended up on something like spot 17 on the original list. So voting on hes fight made a lot of sense. Also Hammer is now days better win then Wach. Nobody had Hughie in their top 15 so I don't think that him beating no one relevant changes a thing.

[gregregegg]

Aj stays 2
Pulev down to 14.

[Boxtune]

Aj stays 2
Pulev down to 14.

Fight with AJ, proved that at 40, still Pulev is better than Povetkin and whyte, and no body should care about their rematch .... ...Pulev stay at 7th

[DrDuke]

Pulev down to the 11th.

Joyce should be higher than Pulev. Joyce has been defeating top fighter recently and doing more than it was expected from him.

Pulev has been fighting fringes and showed less than expected against Joshua. So, he deserves to be moved down, behind Joyce.

[gregregegg]

Aj stays 2
Pulev down to 14.

Fight with AJ, proved that at 40, still Pulev is better than Povetkin and whyte, and no body should care about their rematch .... ...Pulev stay at 7th

Did it? He lasted longer but did he land a single significant shot that looked like aj felt? Did he win a round even? At least POV buzzed aj a couple of times, so did Whyte.

[DrDuke]

Aj stays 2
Pulev down to 14.

Fight with AJ, proved that at 40, still Pulev is better than Povetkin and whyte, and no body should care about their rematch .... ...Pulev stay at 7th

Did it? He lasted longer but did he land a single significant shot that looked like aj felt? Did he win a round even? At least POV buzzed aj a couple of times, so did Whyte.

Right. Both Whyte and Povetkin looked like a threat to Joshua. Povetkin even was arguably winning a fight. While Pulev did almost nothing. He was feinting and taking punishment, apart of scoring a couple of good rights.

[Boxtune]

well,,, Fight proved it, and i'm not convinced both Povetkin and Whyte as good as Pulev.

[joshj909]

AJ > 1
No change for Pulev, Hughie, Wach, Bakole or Kuzmin.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

AJ > 1

- Agree AJ @# 1 pushing the rest of Duckers and no hopers down a slot where they belong.

It wasn't a pretty fight as Pulev a tough customer in great shape, but AJ done the biz of slowly breaking him down with little damage taken in return.

[Ruthless-RKO]

hughie not in, just on the same card i think bakole has as good an argument, wouldnt include either yet

Yeh. Kabayel has done dog shit since he beat Chisora.. that was 4 years ago!

[margaret thatcher]

AJ > 1
No change for Pulev, Hughie, Wach, Bakole or Kuzmin.

why you rate him over fury bruh?

[joshj909]

AJ > 1
No change for Pulev, Hughie, Wach, Bakole or Kuzmin.

why you rate him over fury bruh?

AJ's list of wins is superior than Fury's:
Wlad, Ruiz, Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Martin, Breazeale.
Vs
Wlad, Wilder, Chisorax2, Hammer, Wallin.

Using the the forum rankings, AJ has victories over fighters ranked 3, 6, 7, 9 and 10. Fury has wins over 4 and 13.

[DrDuke]

Using the the forum rankings, AJ has victories over fighters ranked 3, 6, 7, 9 and 10. Fury has wins over 4 and 13.

That's misleading. Some opponents had completely different positions by the moments they faced Fury and Joshua. Fury once beat the inarguable #1 of all HW rankings. Joshua never did that. Fury also beat Wilder, while Wilder was #2 here, if I recall correctly.

[joshj909]

Using the the forum rankings, AJ has victories over fighters ranked 3, 6, 7, 9 and 10. Fury has wins over 4 and 13.

That's misleading. Some opponents had completely different positions by the moments they faced Fury and Joshua. Fury once beat the inarguable #1 of all HW rankings. Joshua never did that. Fury also beat Wilder, while Wilder was #2 here, if I recall correctly.

AJ beat the same man in Wlad.

A victory over Ortiz alone should not legitimately put anyone at 2. YOu can give someone credit for taking a fight against a high ranked opponent when it happens, but when their value can be assessed retrospectively then that is a superior assessment. Now he has lost his belt, does Wilder have the value of someone ranked that high when you assess his wins? I actually think he is still ranked too high. His best victory in Ortiz is probably a worse scalp than any of Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker or Whyte have. Then it's debatable with the likes of Pulev, Rivas and Kabayel.

[DrDuke]

Using the the forum rankings, AJ has victories over fighters ranked 3, 6, 7, 9 and 10. Fury has wins over 4 and 13.

That's misleading. Some opponents had completely different positions by the moments they faced Fury and Joshua. Fury once beat the inarguable #1 of all HW rankings. Joshua never did that. Fury also beat Wilder, while Wilder was #2 here, if I recall correctly.

AJ beat the same man in Wlad.

Yeah, AJ went life and death with the same Wlad.

[joshj909]

That's misleading. Some opponents had completely different positions by the moments they faced Fury and Joshua. Fury once beat the inarguable #1 of all HW rankings. Joshua never did that. Fury also beat Wilder, while Wilder was #2 here, if I recall correctly.

AJ beat the same man in Wlad.

Yeah, AJ went life and death with the same Wlad.

"Life and Death" is an overstated view. He wanted to finish him. Take risks and you might get caught, imagine the abuse he would've got if he fought like Fury did. It was very competitive but he won conclusively by the end. It's also worth noting that when the fight was stopped, two judges would have the AJ-Klitschko scores at: 105/106 to 101 with Klitschko holding on and one round to go. Fury-Klitschko ended 115/116 to 112/111.

[DrDuke]

AJ beat the same man in Wlad.

Yeah, AJ went life and death with the same Wlad.

"Life and Death" is an overstated view. He wanted to finish him. Take risks and you might get caught, imagine the abuse he would've got if he fought like Fury did. It was very competitive but he won conclusively by the end. It's also worth noting that when the fight was stopped, two judges would have the AJ-Klitschko scores at: 105/106 to 101 with Klitschko holding on and one round to go. Fury-Klitschko ended 115/116 to 112/111.

It was literally life and death, as Joshua was outfought in the same round he knocked Wlad down, while he was down himself in the next one and objectively lost a series of the following rounds. Against Fury Wlad clearly took only the last round.