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Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

You are an idiot .... Klitchko names are internationally 100XXX more popular than James Toney and most heavyweights, except Ali, Tyson, Lewis and Maybe Holyfield.

I live in Dubai, if i ask 1000 people, who like combat sport, 900 will know who are Klitchkos, and i doubt more than 10 people know who james Toney was ( he became popular because of crossover fight with Randy Couture)

Toney us a 2 time steroid cheat there was no way he was getting in 1st time

And yes i know about other fighters like evan fields, and vitali but toney was caught twice in professional boxing

If that's the stance and it's consistent. Fair play. No way wlad has never juiced but toney deserves ridicule for being lazy enough to get caught inside a sport where holy, Shane or Manny never did.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 14:46 If that's the stance and it's consistent. Fair play. No way wlad has never juiced but toney deserves ridicule for being lazy enough to get caught inside a sport where holy, Shane or Manny never did.

He always deserves ridicule for apparently being on steroids while still looking like a fat tub of sh*t

But yeah I agree he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

He belongs in there over Andre Ward I'd say. At least for his overall career.

I wouldn't put him in over ward.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 15:00 I wouldn't put him in over ward.

Ward had the better career at Super Middleweight, but I'd say when you factor in Toney's achievements at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight he has the better overall career.

He was 2x Fighter of the Year.

Andre Ward was probably fighter of the year when he won the Super 6, but I don't think he did it twice.

Ward has a more consistently high level of opponent he faced, but a lot less overall fights. Plus Ward's 2 biggest wins that he retired on are shams.

Boxtune wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 13:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

You are an idiot .... Klitchko names are internationally 100XXX more popular than James Toney and most heavyweights, except Ali, Tyson, Lewis and Maybe Holyfield.

I live in Dubai, if i ask 1000 people, who like combat sport, 900 will know who are Klitchkos, and i doubt more than 10 people know who james Toney was ( he became popular because of crossover fight with Randy Couture)

Whats your point? Its not a popularity contest. At least, it shouldn't be

WestEndRiot wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 15:23

Boxtune wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 13:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

You are an idiot .... Klitchko names are internationally 100XXX more popular than James Toney and most heavyweights, except Ali, Tyson, Lewis and Maybe Holyfield.

I live in Dubai, if i ask 1000 people, who like combat sport, 900 will know who are Klitchkos, and i doubt more than 10 people know who james Toney was ( he became popular because of crossover fight with Randy Couture)

Whats your point? Its not a popularity contest. At least, it shouldn't be

Stars are popular because of their achievements.
Btw Hardly anyone could understood James toney when he spoke English

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 15:07

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 15:00 I wouldn't put him in over ward.

Ward had the better career at Super Middleweight, but I'd say when you factor in Toney's achievements at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight he has the better overall career.

He was 2x Fighter of the Year.

Andre Ward was probably fighter of the year when he won the Super 6, but I don't think he did it twice.

Ward has a more consistently high level of opponent he faced, but a lot less overall fights. Plus Ward's 2 biggest wins that he retired on are shams.

Ward was pretty clearly greater than toney. More fights, many more bad performances, less top wins. Wlad/toney is the debate. Neither is near ward, much as I hate Andre.

WestEndRiot wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 15:23

Boxtune wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 13:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

You are an idiot .... Klitchko names are internationally 100XXX more popular than James Toney and most heavyweights, except Ali, Tyson, Lewis and Maybe Holyfield.

I live in Dubai, if i ask 1000 people, who like combat sport, 900 will know who are Klitchkos, and i doubt more than 10 people know who james Toney was ( he became popular because of crossover fight with Randy Couture)

Whats your point? Its not a popularity contest. At least, it shouldn't be

He's an imbecile, don't bother.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

Nonsense. Wlad ia a ATG heavyweight he was always gonna deservedly get in at the first time.

Stanny Onis wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 23:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

Nonsense. Wlad ia a ATG heavyweight he was always gonna deservedly get in at the first time.

He's not undeserving like his brother.

Stanny Onis wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 23:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

Nonsense. Wlad ia a ATG heavyweight he was always gonna deservedly get in at the first time.

So true ... Can't believe There is so much hate for a classy person like Wlad .... and so much love for Adrian Broner, James Toney, and the likes of Gayweather.

It shows clrealy Many boxing fans are Punk, that's why Non Boxing fans frown upon us, when we say we love to watch boxing.

All of them deserve it.

Toney deserve it too, but definitely less.

All deserve it. Very cool.

Boxtune wrote: ↑17 Dec 2020, 04:12

Stanny Onis wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 23:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 12:33 Toney Should have got in instead of wlad.

Nonsense. Wlad ia a ATG heavyweight he was always gonna deservedly get in at the first time.

So true ... Can't believe There is so much hate for a classy person like Wlad .... and so much love for Adrian Broner, James Toney, and the likes of Gayweather.

It shows clrealy Many boxing fans are Punk, that's why Non Boxing fans frown upon us, when we say we love to watch boxing.

Enlighten me since when was Floyd Gay? Your damn ass forgets Convicted Criminal and killer Carlos monzon is in the hall of fame too right!

detamour wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 07:25

Boxtune wrote: ↑17 Dec 2020, 04:12

Stanny Onis wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 23:20
Nonsense. Wlad ia a ATG heavyweight he was always gonna deservedly get in at the first time.

So true ... Can't believe There is so much hate for a classy person like Wlad .... and so much love for Adrian Broner, James Toney, and the likes of Gayweather.

It shows clrealy Many boxing fans are Punk, that's why Non Boxing fans frown upon us, when we say we love to watch boxing.

Enlighten me since when was Floyd Gay? Your damn ass forgets Convicted Criminal and killer Carlos monzon is in the hall of fame too right!

Ask mike Tyson, don't ask me .." Mayweather can't take his children to school by himself"

Real Man don't need bodyguard and pay money to get laid

Floyd will always have his haters. He’s an undisputed ATG and deserves to be a first ballot HOFer.

Why don’t people like Wlad now? He’s not boring up the sport anymore just respect the greatness.

Ward is the one of these three I’m least hot about. But he deserves it.

Boxtune wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020, 13:31 I live in Dubai, if i ask 1000 people, who like combat sport, 900 will know who are Klitchkos, and i doubt more than 10 people know who james Toney was ( he became popular because of crossover fight with Randy Couture)

Does combat sports include boxing? Because if 99% of boxing fans don't know who James Toney is, then they're dumb as f*ck. Toney has competed in 19 world title fights and won world titles in 4 weight divisions. He was p4p top 10 at one point and has wins against Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Vassily Jirov, and past-it Holyfield. And he portrayed Joe Frazier in Ali.

Are you also one of these stereotypical Dubai combat sports fans who doesn't know shit about boxing and has barely heard of James Toney?

They are all deserving including toney

Toney isnt well liked by writers so they will hold steroids against him