Why don't Russians make great Pro Boxers ?

[Evander]

Last number of years the Russians and their sidekicks have produced some good fighters.

Why can't the Russians get passed the gap and have a legit top notched pro boxer who's recognized as an all timer ?

I saw Kovalev v Ward 1 in Vegas, Kovalev was about as close to it as I've seen.
Where are the Russians going in terms of boxing ?

[margaret thatcher]

maybe stay amateur too long

maybe dont have enough of their top ams turning pro (kov himself was mostly a 2nd stringer on the russian team, kinda like luis ortiz on the cuban), at least at the right time


maybe just too sawft of men,, not up to par with these african american, latino, and japanese studs

[margaret thatcher]

who was the last cuban atg?

and i wouldnt call casamayor an atg if you are gonna say him


it's kinda the same issue with the cubans and russians for the last many years in terms of communist amateur studs, but lacking great pros despite still having good pros

[margaret thatcher]

according to boxrec, russia has far less active pros than most other big name boxing countries


mexico 3434

usa 2935

japan 1100

uk 893

phillipnes 681

russia 461



put together limited number of guys turning pro + prob many staying am too long

[Evander]

Who are the 893 UK boxers ?

[margaret thatcher]

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Brole% ... 5D=a&r_go=

[Evander]

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Brole% ... 5D=a&r_go=

Fury is top of that list.

[margaret thatcher]

that he is my man

[Evander]

Think he will beat Joshua ?

[margaret thatcher]

probably, he has more to work with , though josh is a real threat

[Evander]

probably, he has more to work with , though josh is a real threat

Weight, Tyson will have 10-15 Pounds on him at least.
Maybe more.

[Evander]

They only got Usyk at Heavyweight and he's a small heavyweight.
Usyk would hit max at 225-230 with any kick to his punches.
It makes Usyk a boxer that would have to outwork his opponent before he out skills him.

[DrDuke]

Because promotions here in Russia suck. Some fighters just don't realize full potential because of being mis-promoted. Yeah, some stay for too long in the amateurs, but that's not the biggest factor.

Kovalev has been a truly world class competitor, because he moved away for his pro-career. Now look at Beterbiev in the same weight. He has the similar situation, although his promotion could have been better. Anyway, despite being quite long in the amateurs and spending some time in courts, he's unified champ now and can dictate options for his opponents.

Povetkin is a truly world class fighter as well. But he was mis-promoted by the Germans early on. The World of Boxing, which is led by Ryabinsky, is the best Russian promotion, a really good one, it enabled Povetkin to become a contender for several times. He just got unlucky with the boxing politics at the moment of his scheduled fight against Wilder. Bivol also is a product of this promotion and he's now a World champion.

Anyway, even Ryabinsky's World of Boxing is fading away now. They spent too much energy and money in courts. That is another proof, that Russian promotions can't really compete with the foreign ones.

[Verdi]

They only got Usyk at Heavyweight and he's a small heavyweight.
Usyk would hit max at 225-230 with any kick to his punches.
It makes Usyk a boxer that would have to outwork his opponent before he out skills him.

He's Ukrainian mate, they effing hate Russia. They've got Gassiev and Makhmudov though who could do some damage at HW.

[Verdi]

Beterbiev?

[Ruthless-RKO]

maybe stay amateur too long

maybe dont have enough of their top ams turning pro (kov himself was mostly a 2nd stringer on the russian team, kinda like luis ortiz on the cuban), at least at the right time


maybe just too sawft of men,, not up to par with these african american, latino, and japanese studs

Rigo?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Thing with Russians and even Cubans, they turn pro late. by late I mean even early 30's.

But they're in a position to stet up in competition quicker.

Some people moan and b!tch online, why did Loma deserve to fight for a world title in his second fight. Or his his record of 17 fights, is crap. Some one with 34 fights deserves the opportunity more..

What a load of crap.

He skipped fighting nobodies and went straight in where he belonged.

[Jimmy2020]

Professional boxing isn't a big deal in Russia or almost any other country. It's always been the USA (and Mexico due to proximity) and UK (and Ireland due to proximity) that have really cared about pro boxing, everybody else is just dabbling.

[Cent0089]

Staying too long in amateur ranks. Imagine if Beterbiev turned pro in 2009 after he won world championships, he would made much more impact in pro. Plus, fighters from eastern block did not turn pro in past.

[marvelous marv]

Roy Jones Jr did ok.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Roy Jones Jr did ok.

[keirw]

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Brole% ... 5D=a&r_go=

Fury is top of that list.

Not many would argue with that, I certainly wouldn't.

I looked at the bottom of the list, apparently this country has 5 active boxers who are worse than the Youtuber who got clobbered by Logan Paul's little brother (himself 2220th on the US P4p list).

[Boxtune]

Russian don't need to produce HW boxers ...their middleweight beat tear apart an English HW in street fight. It's like angry restaurant customer holding a spoon and fork marching toward a knife swinger chef

[dookus]

Povetkin is a truly world class fighter as well. But he was mis-promoted by the Germans early on. The World of Boxing, which is led by Ryabinsky, is the best Russian promotion, a really good one, it enabled Povetkin to become a contender for several times. He just got unlucky with the boxing politics at the moment of his scheduled fight against Wilder.

I think it's a bit of a tragedy that we never really saw how good Povetkin could have been, because his best years were very poorly handled. He has way, way too much talent to have one world title challenge at the top of his CV.

Does he have recognition in Russia at least? I met a Russian woman on holiday once who wasn't interested in boxing particularly but said everyone loved him.

[1okstcsb]

I would say they do have great boxers, Russia/Soviet Union split into many Countries (about 15 or 16) in 1991, that halved their population, their fertility rates are below replacement levels and have been for decades, meaning an older population, also every Russian Male has to do at least 2 years in the military (Which puts Boxing on the backseat for all but the very best, so it hurts late bloomers). A lot of the former Soviet Countries have elite fighters Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhistan, etc. Still they should be producing more top fighters.