Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021

Who wins?

Poll ended at 15 May 2021, 09:27

Charr - Decision
3
13%
Charr - T/KO
11
46%
DRAW
2
8%
Lovejoy - T/KO
8
33%
Lovejoy - Decision
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 24

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Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021

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Manuel Charr To Fight Christopher Lovejoy On May 15th?

Lovejoy took to social media yesterday evening (UK time) to state how he will be fighting Manuel Charr on May 15th.

According to an apparent press release that Lovejoy has posted, the fight is set for Hamburg, Germany. Charr has stated how “It’s time to finally get back in the ring.”

“I’m in absolutely top form! Lovejoy will take the first defeat of his career.” Charr also stated.

“Just like that, I’m back,” Lovejoy wrote on his Twitter page. “After this I will be WBA world heavyweight champion,” Lovejoy added.

Though no one will seriously accept this fight as a legit world heavyweight title fight, it could prove to be an exciting fight. We know Lovejoy can punch, and Charr can fight, at least he used to be able to fight. We have no way of knowing what 36-year-old Charr, 31-4(17) has left after such a long time spent out of the ring. It was in November of 2017 when “Diamond Boy” won a decision over Alexander Ustinov to win the then-vacant version of the WBA heavyweight title he still claims.

Charr certainly has a big edge in experience, having been in with Vitali Klitschko, Alexander Povetkin, Michael Grant and Johann Duhaupas among others. Lovejoy, who has boxed his entire career in Mexico, has never faced anyone of note, perhaps not even anyone you have heard of.

This fight, if it in fact happens, will be one of the oddest, and at the same time most curious heavyweights fights to go down this year. Who wins? You tell me!
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Terrible fight on paper and I imagine it will be terrible to watch aswell. I'd predict that Lovejoy gasses within 5 rounds and Charr finishes him a couple of rounds after. However, Charr is 36 and hasn't boxed since 2017...
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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chris's nickname should be reverend :yay:
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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By the time Christopher Lovejoy steps foot inside the ring against Mahmoud Charr, he would have engaged in 19 bouts within the last 5½ years, with all of them staged in Tijuana, Mexico.

Based on the combined total record of all 19 opponents beaten by Lovejoy, they would have only won 19% of the 262 fights they fought.

Therefore, a typical Christopher Lovejoy opponent has a record (based on mathematical averages) of 2 wins, 11 losses and one draw.

In stark contrast, based on the date of the Lovejoy bout, Mahmoud Charr has only won one fight within the last 56 months (four years and eight months). And has been inactive for the last 3½ years.

Sky Sports have revealed that one of the WBA’s world titles will be on the line (probably the interim strap that the equally appalling Trevor Bryan previously held)! :o :o :o
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Charr is retired.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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If this fight has any kind of WBA 'world' title belt attached to it, every media outlet and boxing fan in the world should never recognise them as a legitimate sanctioning body ever again. (That's if anyone still does?)
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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ridiculous.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Won't happen.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Is Lovejoy the guy who has had every fight in Mexico despite being American? Has anyone seen footage of him fighting? He's a bizarre case.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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I'd watch it. I want to see if Lovejoy has anything about him, or if he's the total fake we all expect him to be, in which case I shall enjoy watching him get despatched to where we never have to hear his name again.

Of course that assumes Charr has anything to offer, after being kept kicking his heels due to being fixated on that very small carrot on offer from the Worst Boxing Association. It's not like he was anything special three years ago but aside from the Breidis debacle, he was decent, top 20 or thereabouts.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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JamesPhilips wrote: 10 Apr 2021, 03:56 Is Lovejoy the guy who has had every fight in Mexico despite being American? Has anyone seen footage of him fighting? He's a bizarre case.
There is hardly ANY footage..
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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a mediocre boxer beats a fake boxer, charr would win
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Lovejoy out of retirement already! What a superstar.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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"Charr vs Lovejoy: Don King sends a Cease & Desist letter to Christopher Lovejoy"

Hall of Fame boxing promoter Don King has sent a Cease & Desist letter to undefeated heavyweight boxer Christopher Lovejoy, claiming he is under an exclusive promotional agreement with Don King Promotions and not permitted to enter any future fights without King’s consent.

Recent media reports have stated that Lovejoy is currently in Germany and has agreed to face the WBA champion in recess Mahmoud Charr on May 15 in Hamburg, Germany.

Trevor Bryan recently won the WBA heavyweight title after Charr disregarded the WBA and was not allowed in the United States due to Homeland Security visa denial of the Syrian.

The letter demands that Lovejoy (19-0, 19 KOs), who had previously announced his retirement from boxing, not participate in the bout with Charr or any other future bout or opponent.

It is unconscionable, illegal, and unethical for you to participate in this May 15, 2021 bout or any bout without DKP’s expressed, written permission and consent,” the letter from King’s lawyer’s states. “Participating in any bout without DKP’s expressed written consent is … willfully breaching the Promotional Agreement and exposes those you have entered into agreement with for your services as a professional fighter to extreme legally liability, as they too are aware that you are under contract to DKP.

The letter goes on to state, “If you have in fact signed to fight Charr as you proclaim and has been reported in these media reports, you have intentionally, willfully, and maliciously breached your exclusive, world-wide promotional agreement with DKP.

Lovejoy, 37, lives and trains in Las Vegas. All 19 of Lovejoy’s pro fights since February of 2016 have taken place in Tijuana, Mexico.

It was just a formality. Everything Mahmoud Charr needed to enter the US and defend his WBA Heavyweight Title against American Trevor Bryan was a P1-Visa. A visa specifically created for professional athletes to compete abroad and earn money while doing so. But in order to receive this, a signed contract by Don King Productions was needed to proof that the event on January 29th was actually taking place. But still to this day DKP has not sent a signed contract, nor did they show evidence of a booked venue. In the end the US consulate in Frankfurt could not hand out the visa without documents as proof.

From the start it became crystal clear that Don King Productions were never interested in making Charr vs. Bryan happen in the first place. They never took care of visas, flights, hotel booking or the necessary medicals. In fact, it was Charr and EC Boxing trying to arrange all of these things, even though DKP were responsible as stated in the original contract. Their petition to the WBA to make Charr „Champion in recess“ and get their own fighter (Bermane Stiverne) in as a replacement only further proofs the foul play happening.

“At the end of the day we did everything we could. We just hope the WBA acts wisely now, so that Mahmoud can finally step back in the ring to defend his title”, Charr‘s promoter Erol Ceylan (EC Boxing) states.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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what exactly does king want out of these guys who he keeps sidelined forever?

does he just have some obsession with power and having ppl under his control?
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Now it makes sense. I couldn't understand how it was the Bryan v Charr fight fell apart allegedly due to Charr not having a visa which would allow him to work, i.e. fight, despite knowing for two years or more that he'd be fighting in the US. I didn't understand why that would be King's fault.

I don't get why the pudendum is still involved in boxing at his age. Every thing he does that has any effect at all, is a negative effect. FFS just die already and let people earn a living.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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so what WBA world title belt could they possibly get?

-AJ is super
-Trev is reg
-helanius is gold
-Char is Reg in recess
-DDD is fighting for interim

If reg in recess is out of recess is he reg again and they just have 2 regs?

Shouldent loose any sleep thinking about it, doubt it happens. both fighters have trouble getting through the ropes... one will pull out, its just a game of chicken to see who first.
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candyslim wrote: 20 Apr 2021, 03:13 Now it makes sense. I couldn't understand how it was the Bryan v Charr fight fell apart allegedly due to Charr not having a visa which would allow him to work, i.e. fight, despite knowing for two years or more that he'd be fighting in the US. I didn't understand why that would be King's fault.
Charr needed proof to justify his reasons for working/earning an income in the US.

Don King didn't provide the paperwork, which prevented Charr from obtaining a VISA.

On a side note, Mahmoud Charr has never competed on US soil.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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So I have not been following Charr's saga for the 3 1/2 years he hasn't fought so forgive my ignorance. But he is based in Germany and I was wondering why he hasn't been picking up some checks on German shows beating up 2nd tier Euro heavyweights in "title defenses" rather than staying out of the ring? It's not like most of his fights that have been proposed, scheduled and canceled against crap opponents in the past 3 1/2 years were giant cash-out level fights. Is that what he has been waiting for? Is it a management thing? Seems like wasted earning potential/momentum and they could just put Charr in with setup opponents they know he can beat, like a lot of the German shows
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giacomino wrote: 20 Apr 2021, 11:33 So I have not been following Charr's saga for the 3 1/2 years he hasn't fought so forgive my ignorance. But he is based in Germany and I was wondering why he hasn't been picking up some checks on German shows beating up 2nd tier Euro heavyweights in "title defenses" rather than staying out of the ring? It's not like most of his fights that have been proposed, scheduled and canceled against crap opponents in the past 3 1/2 years were giant cash-out level fights. Is that what he has been waiting for? Is it a management thing? Seems like wasted earning potential/momentum and they could just put Charr in with setup opponents they know he can beat, like a lot of the German shows
yh, tbh, he could have easuly fought guys levels below him. or fights he knew he would win.

What's he feeding his family with?
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Apr 2021, 11:49 yh, tbh, he could have easuly fought guys levels below him. or fights he knew he would win.
I definitely agree, he should have been busier, but the drug test issue, the manner in which the WBA manages their title fights, Don King messing him around and also COVID-19 couldn't have helped.
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Apr 2021, 11:49What's he feeding his family with?
To be fair, Charr is 36½ years of age and has engaged in 35 bouts, which means his career is almost over.

I assume his paydays against Alexander Povetkin, Vitali Klitschko and Mairis Briedis would have been substantial (for a fighter of his lowly calibre).

And he probably earned decent enough purses for facing the likes of Johann Duhaupas, Kevin Johnson and Aleksandr Ustinov.

Charr is probably only sticking around for one final big payday opportunity, with a view to eventually regaining one of the WBA secondary titles and using it as leverage to attract a big-name opponent, before hanging his gloves up for good.
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Charrs promoter is probably fronting him money under the hope of 1 big payday
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Manuel Charr To Proceed With May 15 Date, With Or Without Christopher Lovejoy

Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr once again finds himself involved in a fight whose status is directly impacted by Don King.

Plans remain in place for the former secondary titlist to return to the ring on May 15 in Hamburg, Germany, though chances remain slim for a planned showdown with unbeaten fringe contender Christopher Lovejoy.

The previously announced bout was met with the threat of legal action by King, the Hall of Fame promoter who still claims ties to Las Vegas’ Lovejoy along with allegations of the fight being made without his knowledge or consent.

Charr and his team have learned from past mistakes, with a contingency plan in place and the promise of at least two other opponents currently on standby should the need arise.

“[W]e are still confident that Charr and Lovejoy will meet in the ring on May 15 and are willing to settle the situation with [Don King Productions],” Erol Ceylan, Charr’s promoter stated on Thursday. “However, we are prepared to give a different opponent the chance to take on our guy if necessary.”

Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) has not fought since winning a secondary version of the WBA heavyweight title following a 12-round decision win over Alexander Ustinov in Nov. 2017. A drug testing snafu, the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and legal issues have all left the Syrian heavyweight miserably inactive and with several fights falling through during that stretch.

The most recent casualty came in an announced title consolidation clash with Trevor Bryan. Charr was removed from the Jan. 29 show in Hollywood, Florida over an inability to secure a travel visa in time, though the process leading to that point remains an active legal dispute between Charr’s side and Don King Productions (DKP). The WBA stripped Charr of his title, downgrading him to “Champion in Recess” while allowing Bryan to fight for the vacant title, which he claimed in an 11th round knockout of Bermane Stiverne on the aforementioned Jan. 29 show.

“We are not quite sure what Don King‘s intentions are at this stage,” wonders Ceylan. “Instead of making fights happen, he tries to sabotage them. First, he‘s getting Charr stripped off his WBA belt and now this.”
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Enlightened-One wrote: 09 Apr 2021, 11:05 By the time Christopher Lovejoy steps foot inside the ring against Mahmoud Charr, he would have engaged in 19 bouts within the last 5½ years, with all of them staged in Tijuana, Mexico.

Based on the combined total record of all 19 opponents beaten by Lovejoy, they would have only won 19% of the 262 fights they fought.

Therefore, a typical Christopher Lovejoy opponent has a record (based on mathematical averages) of 2 wins, 11 losses and one draw.

In stark contrast, based on the date of the Lovejoy bout, Mahmoud Charr has only won one fight within the last 56 months (four years and eight months). And has been inactive for the last 3½ years.

Sky Sports have revealed that one of the WBA’s world titles will be on the line (probably the interim strap that the equally appalling Trevor Bryan previously held)! :o :o :o
Yeah, but one weighed 252. Another 282. One guy 326! I learned from you that's all that matters because Andy Ruiz would have beaten Sonny Liston, right? :lol:
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Christopher Lovejoy - May 15, 2021?

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 22 Apr 2021, 13:00 Manuel Charr To Proceed With May 15 Date, With Or Without Christopher Lovejoy

Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr once again finds himself involved in a fight whose status is directly impacted by Don King.

Plans remain in place for the former secondary titlist to return to the ring on May 15 in Hamburg, Germany, though chances remain slim for a planned showdown with unbeaten fringe contender Christopher Lovejoy.

The previously announced bout was met with the threat of legal action by King, the Hall of Fame promoter who still claims ties to Las Vegas’ Lovejoy along with allegations of the fight being made without his knowledge or consent.

Charr and his team have learned from past mistakes, with a contingency plan in place and the promise of at least two other opponents currently on standby should the need arise.

“[W]e are still confident that Charr and Lovejoy will meet in the ring on May 15 and are willing to settle the situation with [Don King Productions],” Erol Ceylan, Charr’s promoter stated on Thursday. “However, we are prepared to give a different opponent the chance to take on our guy if necessary.”

Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) has not fought since winning a secondary version of the WBA heavyweight title following a 12-round decision win over Alexander Ustinov in Nov. 2017. A drug testing snafu, the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and legal issues have all left the Syrian heavyweight miserably inactive and with several fights falling through during that stretch.

The most recent casualty came in an announced title consolidation clash with Trevor Bryan. Charr was removed from the Jan. 29 show in Hollywood, Florida over an inability to secure a travel visa in time, though the process leading to that point remains an active legal dispute between Charr’s side and Don King Productions (DKP). The WBA stripped Charr of his title, downgrading him to “Champion in Recess” while allowing Bryan to fight for the vacant title, which he claimed in an 11th round knockout of Bermane Stiverne on the aforementioned Jan. 29 show.

“We are not quite sure what Don King‘s intentions are at this stage,” wonders Ceylan. “Instead of making fights happen, he tries to sabotage them. First, he‘s getting Charr stripped off his WBA belt and now this.”
Could you imagine after all this if Lovejoy drops out and the late replacement being wheeled out is Fres Oquendo :lol:
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