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with all the talk of trainer quality lately, how do you even rate the trainer and seperate them from what the boxer has already? basically, how do you say that one trainer can take a fighter to levels others wouldnt if they had the fighter?

the results their fighters get?

comparing how the fighter performed with other trainers?

how big their stable is?

etc

basically how is it that we decide who to praise and who to not rate so highly

A big part of it is the improvements they make. For example I gave Dave Coldwell much more credit for the improvements he made with Gavin McDonnell than any of Jamie McDonnell’s wins under him as Jamie was pretty much the finished article already where as the Gavin McDonnell that got a gift against Josh Wale would never have beaten Gamal Yafai & earned a world title shot.

It’s like Shane McGuigan at the minute. I give him loads of credit for what he’s doing with Okolie because he’s made huge improvements.

How often they have built a fighter from the ground up, consistency and results with different styles. I

Stevieaber wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 05:19 How often they have built a fighter from the ground up, consistency and results with different styles. I

It's the promoters/managers job to make the matches, very important in a fighters development, keeping them busy too.

I actually think that some trainers work better at different weights.

Manny Steward - great with heavy weights, whereas as Freddie Roach not so good but on the flip side, Freddie is better with the lights fighters?

TopGun wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 12:01 I actually think that some trainers work better at different weights.

Manny Steward - great with heavy weights, whereas as Freddie Roach not so good but on the flip side, Freddie is better with the lights fighters?

Both are way beyond that and are proved at all weights.

Loyalty. Joe Gallagher will take the rap for any of his fighters and is 100% dedicated to every single one of them. He'll fight tooth and nail to get what he thinks they deserve, even if it makes him look bad. Massively improved loads as well and squeezed the very best out of Crolla and Quigg.

What would you two muppets know

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 13:25 Loyalty. Joe Gallagher will take the rap for any of his fighters and is 100% dedicated to every single one of them. He'll fight tooth and nail to get what he thinks they deserve, even if it makes him look bad. Massively improved loads as well and squeezed the very best out of Crolla and Quigg.

I take the general point, but Gallagher arguably cost Quigg the biggest fight of his life. Far too negative and got it all wrong trying to overthink it.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 14:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 13:25 Loyalty. Joe Gallagher will take the rap for any of his fighters and is 100% dedicated to every single one of them. He'll fight tooth and nail to get what he thinks they deserve, even if it makes him look bad. Massively improved loads as well and squeezed the very best out of Crolla and Quigg.

I take the general point, but Gallagher arguably cost Quigg the biggest fight of his life. Far too negative and got it all wrong trying to overthink it.

I agree, I think it's a big factor though.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 13:21

TopGun wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 12:01 I actually think that some trainers work better at different weights.

Manny Steward - great with heavy weights, whereas as Freddie Roach not so good but on the flip side, Freddie is better with the lights fighters?

Both are way beyond that and are proved at all weights.

When has Freddie trained at HW that 'proved' himself with.

Same with manny and the lighter weights?

TopGun wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 04:19

Same with manny and the lighter weights?

Hilmer Kinty, Jimmy Paul? Hearns, Breland, McCrory? Dujuan Johnson? None of these are heavyweights.

TopGun wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 12:01

Manny Steward - great with heavy weights

and welterweights, and lightwelters, and lightmiddles.

He need some kind of hat and, preferably, a toothpick.

J-C wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 04:43 He need some kind of hat and, preferably, a toothpick.

Not a sailor's hat. They're usually useless when they've got them on.