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world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 12:59 So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 12:59 So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 12:59 So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09
Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:16

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:16

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

ironbeard wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:57

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32
* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Porter was decisively defeated by Kell Brook.

You can argue about quality wins forever, but there is no arguing Crawford’s multi class accomplishments. Spence cannot touch that, currently.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56 I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:53

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32
* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Crawford achieved enough prior to making the jump to 147lbs to be deemed future Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Even though Spence Jr. is more accomplished at 147lbs than Crawford, Errol has achieved far less in the sport of boxing than Bud has.

If we only considered the resumes of both fighters at welterweight, neither Spence Jr. nor Crawford have achieved very much (in comparison to most welterweight Hall-of-Fame inductees).

Somebody help me out here, this guy knows nothing about boxing!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:53

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:32
* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Crawford achieved enough prior to making the jump to 147lbs to be deemed future Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Even though Spence Jr. is more accomplished at 147lbs than Crawford, Errol has achieved far less in the sport of boxing than Bud has.

If we only considered the resumes of both fighters at welterweight, neither Spence Jr. nor Crawford have achieved very much (in comparison to most welterweight Hall-of-Fame inductees).

Somebody help me out here, this guy knows nothing about boxing!

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 17:53

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 12:59 So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56 I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:14

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 17:53

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

I have no idea if Top Rank has submitted any offers to Team Spence. This is not a fair question since obviously this isn't purchasing a car at a lot so one doesn't just submit and offer. Negotiations have to take place first and I'm sure that Top Rank has asked the pbc to negotiate with them for this fight.

It's not the pbc's role to promote top rank fighters. Maybe that part of my statement was a bit silly.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 12:59 So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Crawford's achievements as a Lightweight are the best of his career. Those are the best opponents he beat. Even though he became Undisputed at 140 it was a bigger accomplishment on paper than it was in actuality as he really had nobody particularly meaningful standing in his way to take a title from.

Josh Taylor who just accomplished the same feat had a harder road to travel to do so, and his accomplishment is more impressive because of it.

world ranked wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 14:01

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:56 I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

Gamboa moving up is the best win out of both resume. You need to stop.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 13:09
Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Crawford's achievements as a Lightweight are the best of his career. Those are the best opponents he beat. Even though he became Undisputed at 140 it was a bigger accomplishment on paper than it was in actuality as he really had nobody particularly meaningful standing in his way to take a title from.

Josh Taylor who just accomplished the same feat had a harder road to travel to do so, and his accomplishment is more impressive because of it.

Crawford is a three-weight world champion and also unified all the belts at 140lbs.

Crawford has also faced more world champions and also engaged in more world title fights.

And if Crawford and Taylor fought tomorrow, you’d probably adhere to the mainstream masses by favouring the American to beat the Scot.

No one from this forum has criticised Crawford more than I have, but even I realise he’s already a dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, regardless whatever happens during the remainder of his career.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:46

H8Usernames wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 20:14

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 17:53
Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

I have no idea if Top Rank has submitted any offers to Team Spence. This is not a fair question since obviously this isn't purchasing a car at a lot so one doesn't just submit and offer. Negotiations have to take place first and I'm sure that Top Rank has asked the pbc to negotiate with them for this fight.

It's not the pbc's role to promote top rank fighters. Maybe that part of my statement was a bit silly.

Then you’ve just admitted that Top Rank hasn’t submitted any offers to Team Spence.

And you’ve also admitted that it wasn’t the PBC’s duty to promoter a Top Rank fighter like Terence Crawford.

Then why in earth have you claimed Errol Spence Jr. has ducked Terence Crawford?

Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, but what do you believe constitutes “ducking”?

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Jun 2021, 00:20 Iv said this befor, being multi weight champ only realy means anything to me if you move up and be the smaller man. If you just weight bully low then grow up divs then it means nothing to me.

Has Crawford ever been significantly lighter than an opponent in the ring? Mabey he was slightly outweighed vs Brook and horn, has Crawford been significantly bigger in the ring, every 135lb fight and most 140lb fights...

Should Crawford get extra credit for spending half his career as a welter beating up lightweights?