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Prison fighters?
Posted: 12 Dec 2021, 19:30
by H8Usernames
Prisons have given us great fighters such as Sonny Liston, Clifford Etienne and last but certainly not least Bernard Hopkins. I am sure that I am forgetting a few.
Who is todays closest equivalent to these guys? Will we ever see another great fighter originate from behind the bars?
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 12 Dec 2021, 19:54
by Mexi-Box
Off the top of my head, Vaun Alexander, is a high level journeyman/almost gatekeeper for having done a very long stretch in prison. Not anything to sneeze at but nothing close to Bernard Hopkins.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 07:35
by jezzamundo
H8Usernames wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 19:30
Prisons have given us great fighters such as Sonny Liston, Clifford Etienne and last but certainly not least Bernard Hopkins. I am sure that I am forgetting a few.
Who is todays closest equivalent to these guys? Will we ever see another great fighter originate from behind the bars?
Clifford Etienne would be pretty stoked to see his name with that company!
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 07:53
by Ruthless-RKO
There was some boxers who fought inside a prison as well isn't there?
professional fights.
James SCOTT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Scott_(boxer)
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 08:50
by bobcatbox
Scott’s story is one of the most interesting and inspirational in all of boxing. Simply amazing.
Mike Tyson spent time in a juvenile detention center where he was introduced to the sport.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 08:59
by margaret thatcher
aside from the part with the continual inability to refrain from crime and having to spend most of his life behind bars
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 15:54
by SportsRatings
On another note, did prisons keep records of their in-house bouts?
And if you were #1 in your prison did you ever get to fight the #1 in say SuperMax? or would the logistics of that be too much.
Apparently they used to let boxers have furloughs to compete on the "outside" too.
Looks like most prison boxing programs ended in the 80s and 90s. Think of the incarcerated career someone like Ike Ibeabuchi could have had.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 16:10
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Amir mansour
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 16:19
by Ruthless-RKO
SportsRatings wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 15:54
On another note, did prisons keep records of their in-house bouts?
And if you were #1 in your prison did you ever get to fight the #1 in say SuperMax? or would the logistics of that be too much.
Apparently they used to let boxers have furloughs to compete on the "outside" too.
Looks like most prison boxing programs ended in the 80s and 90s. Think of the incarcerated career someone like Ike Ibeabuchi could have had.
Na. Too much politics. Didn’t mix well.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 16:19
by Ruthless-RKO
Good shout.
He had a few fights before he went in didn’t he.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 19:48
by tiny_acres
SportsRatings wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 15:54
On another note, did prisons keep records of their in-house bouts?
And if you were #1 in your prison did you ever get to fight the #1 in say SuperMax? or would the logistics of that be too much.
Apparently they used to let boxers have furloughs to compete on the "outside" too.
Looks like most prison boxing programs ended in the 80s and 90s. Think of the incarcerated career someone like Ike Ibeabuchi could have had.
I wish they still did have pro boxing in prison. Purses could be applied to restitution and boxers could possibly leave prison not owing. The victim would get restitution and the boxer gets it a little easier when they do get out
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 23:45
by Perseus
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 11:22
by JamesPhilips
Edwin Valero went to prison, although he never boxed after his stint...
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 19:59
by Perseus
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 11:22
Edwin Valero went to prison, although he never boxed after his stint...
....same goes for Monzon.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 15 Dec 2021, 00:45
by H8Usernames
It's a good thread, perhaps a side of boxing history that hasn’t been covered extensively before.
I think that in order to get on the list you have to have done some serious time and had a somewhat successful career afterwards or started your boxing inside a jail or a juvenile detention facility.
This creates a P4P jail list from this thread that looks something like this:
1. Mike Tyson
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Sonny Liston
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Amir Mansour
6. James Scott
7. Clifford Etienne
8. Vaun Alexander
Excluded from the list:
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather jr
Edwin Valero
Ike Ibeabuchi
Carlos Monzon
Plus loads more
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 16 Dec 2021, 14:12
by bobcatbox
Yeah I don’t think we can include people who boxed successfully and then happened to go to jail also. Prison Boxer makes me imagine a guy who got his start or hit his stride while in or just after being released from prison.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 16 Dec 2021, 14:53
by JamesPhilips
bobcatbox wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 14:12
Yeah I don’t think we can include people who boxed successfully and then happened to go to jail also. Prison Boxer makes me imagine a guy who got his start or hit his stride while in or just after being released from prison.
Right. Counts out proper aaaardddd man John Fury.
I think Martin Murray meets the definition.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 16 Dec 2021, 14:55
by Petercattermole
Tommy Jacobs
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 16 Dec 2021, 15:08
by Fightdoctor
Tony Ayala
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 16 Dec 2021, 15:12
by Foggy
Harry Simon?
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 18 Dec 2021, 15:19
by brilo33
H8Usernames wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 00:45
It's a good thread, perhaps a side of boxing history that hasn’t been covered extensively before.
I think that in order to get on the list you have to have done some serious time and had a somewhat successful career afterwards or started your boxing inside a jail or a juvenile detention facility.
This creates a P4P jail list from this thread that looks something like this:
1. Mike Tyson
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Sonny Liston
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Amir Mansour
6. James Scott
7. Clifford Etienne
8. Vaun Alexander
Excluded from the list:
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather jr
Edwin Valero
Ike Ibeabuchi
Carlos Monzon
Plus loads more
no naz
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 18 Dec 2021, 19:38
by rubberneck
Germany’s Juergen Braehmer spent sometime in prison. Lost about 3 years of his career 2002-2005, but following his release went on to win the EBU light heavy title and WBO world title.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 19 Dec 2021, 00:44
by Verdi
H8Usernames wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 00:45
It's a good thread, perhaps a side of boxing history that hasn’t been covered extensively before.
I think that in order to get on the list you have to have done some serious time and had a somewhat successful career afterwards or started your boxing inside a jail or a juvenile detention facility.
This creates a P4P jail list from this thread that looks something like this:
1. Mike Tyson
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Sonny Liston
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Amir Mansour
6. James Scott
7. Clifford Etienne
8. Vaun Alexander
Excluded from the list:
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather jr
Edwin Valero
Ike Ibeabuchi
Carlos Monzon
Plus loads more
I don't think Tyson is a better p4p fighter than BHop, especially after his rape charge.
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 19 Dec 2021, 08:46
by funso banjo baby
Re: Prison fighters?
Posted: 19 Dec 2021, 10:46
by asmund
Floyd Cummings
