BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Ortiz vs. Martin / Sanchez vs. Hammer

[Ruthless-RKO]

1. Tyson Fury - 31(22) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joe Joyce - 13(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Tony Yoka - 11(9) 0 0 - next fight: TBC vs. Martin Bakole - 17(13) 1(1) 0 - (unranked)

12. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

[joshj909]

Ortiz drops to 12th
Sanchez remains 14th
The rest remain unranked.

Not really much else scheduled for the rest of the top 15 except Bakole/Yoka. Other than that there's Charr/Bryan but I highly doubt the winner would get ranked. If Makhmudov can KO Wach like he does everybody else then he might be worth paying attention to. That's about it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I’m not sure about dropping Ortiz. He still win.

He pulled a Wilder in this one. Losing on the cards and then pulling it out the bag. Don’t remember dropping Wilder for that.

[margaret thatcher]

ah yes, that tired logic again that a fighter winning means he can't be dropped same way oscar rivas was gonna be ranked eternally until he became the bridger goat. i might add that the ppl who say this logic for some reason dont apply it always themselves and have record of voting guys down after wins anyway

also, ortiz was ranked highly here when wilder beat him, chuck aint even in our top 15, not the same case


but im not sure about dropping him yet tbh, koing chuck is better than a lot of wins still. pulev for example aint done sheeyat lately, although he is the triad goat.

[ironbeard]

Ortiz to #9.
Sanchez no change.

The others no change.

If Yoka does Bakole, he should move to 9, imo. We will see.

[margaret thatcher]

ortiz to 9
sanchez no change


martins good enough that even with how bad ortiz looked i think eventually getting a nice ko should move him above pulev

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ortiz to #9

I kinda like this.. because he’d only be going ahead of Pulev.

[DrDuke]

Ortiz to 9.

He won the unranked opponent, against whom he was favored, so there was logic not to change his place, but Pulev is inactive recently and coming of a loss, so for now Ortiz deserves more.

The others remain like they are.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Had it been anyone else ranked above Ortiz other Pulev, I would keep Ortiz the same.

But like some have said Pulev has been fighting in triangle rings and not the squared circle recently.

[oogiebe]

Orts to 9
no other change.

[tiny_acres]

Ortiz 9
Sanchez 10

[margaret thatcher]

i considered sanchez higher, but hammer aint nothing at this level. hasnt even won a round vs anyone decent in years

[Ruthless-RKO]

i considered sanchez higher, but hammer aint nothing at this level. hasnt even won a round vs anyone decent in years

Should we consider activity? Although some boxers still blame Covid and guy like Wallin it’s not really his fault he didn’t fight few months back.

There’s literally nothing scheduled now.

[margaret thatcher]

activity should be considered but adding a win over chris '89-100' hammer, also known as christian '107-120' cicocan, doesnt really add much from our last vote on frank

[Ruthless-RKO]

activity should be considered but adding a win over chris '89-100' hammer, also known as christian '107-120' cicocan, doesnt really add much from our last vote on frank

Agree with that one.

Unless Hammer had a recent meaningful win. Which he hasn’t has he?

[George_Jones88]

Ortiz to #9.
Sanchez no change.

[Finkel]

Ortiz to #14. Pulev will disappear soon enough from inactivity. I'm not sure Ortiz would be favourite against any of the top 15 following this fight, excluding Chisora. No way is he top 10 after getting dropped twice by top 30 Martin, once by a jab.

Sanchez stays the same (effectively moved to #13 by Ortiz #14). Hammer was brought in to lose and give rounds.

Edit: after careful consideration Hughie Fury has the feet and chin to embarrass this version of Ortiz. Can I replace Ortiz with Hughie?

[gregregegg]

Ortiz holds his spot. (lucky, looked poor but the guys below him havent shown they deserve to be above him).

Sanchez to 15...
people wont like me moving him down on a win (especialy when he didnt lose a round), but fornicate it looked poor to me, Id drop him out of the rankings but that would be too controversial. Hughie battered Hammer, Frank didnt dint him, Hammer was littraly chatting and laughing in there. Frank might be slick but fuk me he was negative, I think frank was landing 6 punches a round vs hammer for the first 8 rounds, sure if heat is coming back pick your shots, but hammer wasnt even throwing punches he was just covered up. Sure a wins a win and mabey he just fights to his opponents levle, but he is still yet to impress me and based of there last two preformances Id expect chisora to out hussle frank.

[Cyclops]

Ortiz to #9

I kinda like this.. because he’d only be going ahead of Pulev.

I'm down with this logic. Martin is a former world champ. A crap one, but a world champ regardless. I'd rather Pulev demoted than Ortiz.

Ortiz to 9.

I don't care about Sanchez. I've been surprised at the clamour to rank him since he beat Ajagba. He's not going to make any impact for ages, if at all. until I get proven wrong, leave the bloke where he is.

[Enlightened-One]

I normally refrain from commenting on this thread, but I can’t help thinking that some of the alleged top-15 heavyweights being rated by this forum is based on media reputation and fan hype, rather than their actual resumes and proverbial eyeball tests.

Anyway, I won’t submit another comment to this thread, since my thoughts oppose the echo chamber that people prefer to exist in.

[margaret thatcher]

I normally refrain from commenting on this thread, but I can’t help thinking that some of the alleged top-15 heavyweights being rated by this forum is based on media reputation and fan hype, rather than their actual resumes and proverbial eyeball tests.

Anyway, I won’t submit another comment to this thread, since my thoughts oppose the echo chamber that people prefer to exist in.

so what's your top 15 then my man?

[Enlightened-One]

I normally refrain from commenting on this thread, but I can’t help thinking that some of the alleged top-15 heavyweights being rated by this forum is based on media reputation and fan hype, rather than their actual resumes and proverbial eyeball tests.

Anyway, I won’t submit another comment to this thread, since my thoughts oppose the echo chamber that people prefer to exist in.

so what's your top 15 then my man?

I can’t give you an immediate answer, since I’ll need to think about it.

But I really can’t see any logical reason to rate Luis Ortiz, Frank Sanchez and Kubrat Pulev so highly.

Look at who these guys have beaten within the last three years, have they beaten any legitimate top-15 world-rated opponents?

Does anybody think that Dereck Chisora, Tony Yoka and Otto Wallin wouldn’t have had an excellent chance of beating this weekend’s iteration of Luis Ortiz?

I don’t know what to say, but I really do believe in expiry dates.

If a fighter hasn’t achieved anything noteworthy in the sport of boxing within the last three years, then we really should be endorsing other heavyweights that have recently achieved more.

Time doesn’t stand still.

I really do believe that today’s version of Luis Ortiz is tailor made for a durable heavy-handed busy heavyweight like Dereck Chisora, despite Del Boy appearing past-his-prime against Joe Parker.

And I think that Tony Yoka dominates Luis Ortiz.

Luis Ortiz also ducked the Otto Wallin fight.

But apparently people still rate Luis Ortiz very highly.

Martin Bakole rated 11th? Give me a break!

[Cyclops]

I normally refrain from commenting on this thread, but I can’t help thinking that some of the alleged top-15 heavyweights being rated by this forum is based on media reputation and fan hype, rather than their actual resumes and proverbial eyeball tests.

Anyway, I won’t submit another comment to this thread, since my thoughts oppose the echo chamber that people prefer to exist in.

so what's your top 15 then my man?

I can’t give you an immediate answer, since I’ll need to think about it.

But I really can’t see any logical reason to rate Luis Ortiz, Frank Sanchez and Kubrat Pulev so highly.

Look at who these guys have beaten within the last three years, have they beaten any legitimate top-15 world-rated opponents?

Does anybody think that Dereck Chisora, Tony Yoka and Otto Wallin wouldn’t have had an excellent chance of beating this weekend’s iteration of Luis Ortiz?

I don’t know what to say, but I really do believe in expiry dates.

If a fighter hasn’t achieved anything noteworthy in the sport of boxing within the last three years, then we really should be endorsing other heavyweights that have recently achieved more.

Time doesn’t stand still.

I really do believe that today’s version of Luis Ortiz is tailor made for a durable heavy-handed busy heavyweight like Dereck Chisora, despite Del Boy appearing past-his-prime against Joe Parker.

And I think that Tony Yoka dominates Luis Ortiz.

Luis Ortiz also ducked the Otto Wallin fight.

There's plenty of decent points in there, but this ranking is based on results and not potential, dude. It's not perfect but it's pretty fair.

[CMCanavessi]

Ortiz 9
Sanchez 13

And I want to nominate Pulev to get out of the list.

[gregregegg]

Ortiz 9
Sanchez 13

And I want to nominate Pulev to get out of the list.

I dont know if it means anything, but i absolutly agree with that pulev out propersition... or at least a propisition to vote on weather or not to remove pulev.

didnt rivas get kicked out when he went to bridger weight? pulev has gone to a different sport... and i dont even think he would be worthy of the list if he was still in the same sport, hasnt won a meaningfull fight in over 3 years.