What is more impressive to you

[Cent0089]

Discuss. What is more impressive in boxing? Overhelming your oponent by 1st round KO, or schooling your oponent and making him quit on stool?

[gilgamesh]

You're splitting hairs really. A dominant one sided victory is impressive whether it takes 1 round or 12.

A 1 round KO can be more shocking sometimes if the guy that's on the ass end of the KO has a reputation for being really tough. Like Kalambay vs Michael Nunn for instance. That would've been a real shocker to see Live.

[margaret thatcher]

hard to say , really depends on the case and each can also show different strengths, e.g. murderous power for instance (ko 1) vs a great engine and determination breaking a guy down

for example, if a guy is iron chinned but very limited skill wise, then schooling him and discouraging him eventually may not really be all that impressive, but blasting him out in 1 can show unreal power. but if a guy is a really skillfull determined fighter himself, then a total domination and making him quit can show another level and dimensions to your game that a quick blastout might not


further, blasting a guy out doesnt really show usually how you can cope in a 2 way fight. now, you may be such a murderous hitter that you may never end up in a 2 way fight, but chances are you will

[gilgamesh]

hard to say , really depends on the case and each can also show different strengths, e.g. murderous power for instance (ko 1) vs a great engine and determination breaking a guy down

for example, if a guy is iron chinned but very limited skill wise, then schooling him and discouraging him eventually may not really be all that impressive, but blasting him out in 1 can show unreal power. but if a guy is a really skillfull determined fighter himself, then a total domination and making him quit can show another level that a quick blastout might not

A good example of this. Let's say Pac had KO'd Barrera in 1. It would've been seen as "Whoa, this kid can punch!" but perhaps a flukish victory in a way.

But the WAY he beat Barrera it was seen as "Holy sh*t! This kid just straight up beat the sh*t out of Barrera. He's the next big star!"

So in some cases, as you say depending on who the guy is and what his reputation is, it's probably a bigger deal to beat them up the entire fight because it shows that you're just flat out better than the guy. Not that you caught him with a perfect shot, but you beat him every which way.

[gregregegg]

First round KO is a more impressive spectical but has more variance in how good the preformance might actualy be. its anywhere from a "lucky punch" to a "masterclas with brutal power".... its really a better result but has uncertainty.

you make someone quit, you havent been able to seperate them from there senses which isnt great, but theres not much luck in it, your clearly supierior.

as a one off result making someone quit tells you more. but if you go on a consistent run against top guys (hypotheticaly 3 first round KOs vs top 10 guys, or 3 make quits vs top 10 guys) then the KOs are the better result.

[dan28uk]

good question this as i think someone has said it depends who's fighting and if it's a real shock ko it's impressive i think making an opponent quit but could be seen as a fighter being a coward but then you could catch an opponent cold in the first round so on the fence with this one

[DrDuke]

In terms of spectacle the 1st round KO for sure. It's way more rewatchable than a one guy beating the hell out of the other one in an utterly one-sided fashion, even if it's a sublime masterclass of boxing.

Yet it's not an argument to judge fighters, e.g. fighter A isn't necessarily better if he KOed fighter C, while fighter B outclassed C and made him quit. Such things can't be judged on a single fight.

[greg]

...quitting on stool adds this element of humiliation and there are a couple of clowns I don't mind to see humiliated, actually looking forward to it

[Lackeos]

Both are kind of flawed. If you KO1 someone, maybe it was a lucky punch, and at any rate, a lot of your attributes haven't been tested by such a short fight. If the opponent went out in 1, is there something wrong with him? Is he past his prime, injured, did he go down easy because he thought he couldn't win, was he a fraud all along, or was he just not getting paid enough to go to war? Making someone quit is more legit than a crooked judge's decision, but like... how close were you to going down? Could've been close. You could've been hurt and tired yourself. Although, usually when someone quits, they know they're way behind and have no chance of a comeback.

IMO, nothing is more decisive than pitching a shutout, 12-0. You outpointed him, didn't get hurt, didn't get tired, pretty much dominated in every respect besides the knockout.

[DrDuke]

...quitting on stool adds this element of humiliation and there are a couple of clowns I don't mind to see humiliated, actually looking forward to it

And double satisfaction, if some of them wants to quit on stool, but is forced to continue by his corner and gets kayoed in the following round!

[Ruthless-RKO]

When Loma did for four consecutive fights, that was quite impressive.

[Tony1244]

With the info given, a KO is more impressive. KO implies he could not continue, the other implication is the opponent simply didn't want to continue.

[margaret thatcher]

what if dude took a knee for a 10 count but coulda got up

[Thomastearns]

A first round knockout is great for the fans but to school someone so they quit must be the ultimate demonstration of boxing superiority.

Of course, the really great fighters can do both.

[margaret thatcher]

all depends reaally.

to me wilder's most impressive performance may still be the first stiverne fight, for example. he never boxed as well as that again.

compare that to something like him vs washington or whatever, i mean sure he won by stoppage and earlier in the fight, but wasnt nearly as impressive to me.

but at the same time, icing a good opponent early can be super electrifying too, though probably likely to tell us less about the overall abilities of the fighter. as mentioned, there's more uncertainty when its done so quick

[Enlightened-One]

First round KO.

No fighter wants to lose that quickly – even weak-minded ones.

[scallum2015]

Stool imo

[Lenny Cravats]

I remember seeing Hamed absolutely smash Billy Hardy in a round.

There's nothing else that could really have shown the difference in levels between the two. Though that's because Hamed is a huge puncher.

When I saw Calzaghe give Lacey one of the biggest beatdowns I've ever seen in a championship fight I thought the same - because, at that stage, Calzaghe wasn't really a puncher.
If Calzaghe had a KO1 over Lacey, I'd've figured that Lacey had a shocking chin, or that it was one of those incredibly rare punches, rather than Calzaghe being so much better.

[Lenny Cravats]

I remember seeing Hamed absolutely smash Billy Hardy in a round.

There's nothing else that could really have shown the difference in levels between the two. Though that's because Hamed is a huge puncher.

When I saw Calzaghe give Lacey one of the biggest beatdowns I've ever seen in a championship fight I thought the same - because, at that stage, Calzaghe wasn't really a puncher.
If Calzaghe had a KO1 over Lacey, I'd've figured that Lacey had a shocking chin, or that it was one of those incredibly rare punches, rather than Calzaghe being so much better.

[margaret thatcher]

quitting on stool would be rather messy and smelly wouldnt it, i guess that's what andrew six heads lewis did

[oogiebe]

Really depends on context.

[bobcatbox]

Taking the will out of a man is the ultimate measure of victory in combat sports.

At least that’s my two cents.

[brilo33]

i think 1st rd ko is always more impressive .as it doesnt give the opponent a chance to quit

[bjornborgbook]

It really depends on the quality of punches landed and the stakes of the fight. Impressive punching displays of short sharp accurate effective combinations are the most impressive part of the sport.

[KiwiRider]

When Loma did for four consecutive fights, that was quite impressive.

And they were not pushovers either.