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H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 02:44 Oleksander Usyk is a cruiserweight who at the age of 21 competed as an amateur in the light heavyweight division.

Tyson Fury is 6"9 heavyweight. 2 inches taller than Vitali Klitschko was and he isn't suffering from the robotic matchstickman syndrome like Vitali was.

This is just Vitali Klitschko vs Tomasz Adamek II. This isn't a good fight and one that I would rather not see happen.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 02:45

H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 02:44 Oleksander Usyk is a cruiserweight who at the age of 21 competed as an amateur in the light heavyweight division.

Tyson Fury is 6"9 heavyweight. 2 inches taller than Vitali Klitschko was and he isn't suffering from the robotic matchstickman syndrome like Vitali was.

This is just Vitali Klitschko vs Tomasz Adamek II. This isn't a good fight and one that I would rather not see happen.

fury vs otto wallin wasnt even vit vs admaek lol

2 of furys hardest fights have come against quick mobile guys he was much bigger than actually. usyk way better than both of them too. a much tougher style for him than a plodder who will just come forward eating jabs

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Aug 2017, 02:53 • Barry McGuigan vs. Azumah Nelson (1986)
• Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock vs. Corrie Sanders (1990)
• Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock vs. Evander 'The Real Deal' Holyfield (1992)
• Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock vs. Riddick 'Big Daddy' Bowe (1992)
• Evander ‘The Real Deal’ Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis (1996 instead of 1999)
• Evander ‘The Real Deal’ Holyfield vs. Mike Tyson (1990 instead of 1997)
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Antonio Margarito (2007)
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Kostya Tszyu (2004)
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao (2009)
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Paul Williams (2005)
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley (2005)
• George Foreman vs. Larry Holmes (1977, 1992 & 2002)
• George Foreman vs. Lennox Lewis (1998.)
• George Foreman vs. Mike Tyson (1990)
• George Foreman vs. Muhammad Ali II (1976)
• George Foreman vs. Sonny Liston (1969)
• Herbie Hide vs. Jeremy Williams (1996)
• Herbie Hide vs. Tommy Morrison (1993)
• Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham vs. Chris Eubank (1990)
• Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham vs. Marvin Hagler (1987)
• Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham vs. Nigel Benn (1990)
• Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham vs. Steve Collins (1989)
• Herol 'Bomber' Graham vs. Kirkland Laing (1980)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Evander Holyfield (1999)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Lennox Lewis (1999)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson (1999)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall (1999)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Vitali Klitschko (1999)
• Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Wladimir Klitschko (1999)
• James Toney vs. Bernard Hopkins (1993)
• James Toney vs. Chris Eubank (1993)
• James Toney vs. Mike Tyson (2003)
• James Toney vs. Nigel Benn (1993)
• James Toney vs. Steve Collins (1992)
• Joe Calzaghe vs. Carl Froch (2008.)
• Joe Calzaghe vs. Steve Collins (1997)
• Joe Calzaghe vs. Sven Ottke (2002)
• Joe Frazier vs. Kenny Norton (1973)
• Jose Luis Castillo vs. Diego Corrales III (2005)
• Juan Manuel Márquez vs. Eric Morales (2003)
• Julian Jackson vs. Michael Nunn (1989)
• Julian Jackson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard (1989)
• Julian Jackson vs. Tommy Hearns (1989)
• Kostya Tszyu vs. Oscar De La Hoya (1997)
• Kostya Tszyu vs. Vernon Forrest (1995)
• Marvin Hagler vs. Mike McCallum (1987)
• Marvin Hagler vs. Tommy Hearns II (1985)
• Michael Moorer vs. Virgil Hill (1990)
• Mike Tyson vs. David Tua (2000)
• Mike Tyson vs. Riddick Bowe (1996)
• Mike Tyson vs. Vitali Klitschko (2000)
• Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko (2000)
• Naseem Hamed vs. Juan Manuel Márquez (1997)
• Naseem Hamed vs. Manny Pacquiao (2000)
• Nigel Benn vs. Chris Eubank III (1994)
• Oscar De La Hoya vs. Felix Trinidad II (2000)
• Pernell 'Sweet Pea' Whitaker vs. Meldrick Taylor (1991)
• Pernell 'Sweet Pea' Whitaker vs. 'Terrible' Terry Norris (1995)
• Ray Mercer vs. Evander ‘The Real Deal’ Holyfield II (1995)
• Ray Mercer vs. Lennox Lewis II (1995)
• Ricky Hatton vs. Miguel Cotto (2005)
• Riddick Bowe vs. Lennox Lewis (1996)
• Roberto Duran vs. Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham (1989)
• Roberto Duran vs. Julian Jackson (1989)
• Roberto Duran vs. Nigel Benn (1989)
• Roberto Duran vs. Thomas Hearns (1980 instead of 1984)
• Rocky Marciano vs. Floyd Patterson (1956)
• Rocky Marciano vs. Ingemar Johansson (1956)
• Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston (1956)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Bernard Hopkins (2002)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Dariusz Michalczewski (2002)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Evander ‘The Real Deal’ Holyfield (2003)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Gerald McClellan (1995)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. James Toney II (2003)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Calzaghe (1997)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Mike McCallum (1994 instead of 1996)
• Roy Jones Jr. vs. Mike Tyson (2003)
• Sergio Martinez vs. Antonio Margarito II (2004 or 2009)
• Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Aaron Pryor (1982)
• Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Marvin Hagler II (1988.)
• Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Michael Nunn (1988.)
• Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Tommy Hearns II (1987 instead of 1989)
• 'Terrible' Terry Norris vs. Felix 'Tito' Trinidad (1997)
• Tommy Morrison vs. 'Smokin' Bert Cooper (1993)

• Notes: Some of these super-fights actually got to the stage of the negotiation table but the boxers either couldn’t agree terms or the contest was eventually cancelled for one reason or another.

• You may also notice that some of the fights in my list actually took place, but unfortunately at the wrong time, which is why I’ve still included them (by expressing a more appropriate year).

• I have estimated the years that the fight could have happened… or where I think negotiations actually took place but the contest never materialised.

• In my mind, there’s no point in speculating about “The Best Fights That Never Happened”… if they could have never taken place due to both fighters competing in completely different eras or weight classes. It’s far better to discuss bouts that were theoretically highly-possible.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 03:36 fury and usyk (at hw) dont have deep resumes, any win over another elite guy helps their legacy a bunch, especially with the undisputed title on the line

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

littlepug wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:36

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

That is not how you evaluate ATG status at all!! Crikey mate what you’re talking about is a mythical matchup list, that’s schoolyard stuff, ATG status is judged by achievements in the era you completed, so who you fought, results, method and manner of results, when the fights happened, longevity ect

littlepug wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:36

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

That is not how you evaluate ATG status at all!! Crikey mate what you’re talking about is a mythical matchup list, that’s schoolyard stuff, ATG status is judged by achievements in the era you completed, so who you fought, results, method and manner of results, when the fights happened, longevity ect

RScarf1 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 09:08Fury was almost beaten by Wladimir Klitschko who was past his prime. I scored the fight a draw, but the judges scored it for Fury.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 10:05

RScarf1 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 09:08Fury was almost beaten by Wladimir Klitschko who was past his prime. I scored the fight a draw, but the judges scored it for Fury.

The general consensus of the media, the fans and also the official scorecards had Fury beating Klitschko by a comfortable 116-111 margin (with Tyson being deducted a point in the 11th round).

Most people believed that Wladimir only won three rounds.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 10:37

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

Your high again. Dude, try to hit that stuff less so you can make sense of stuff. Nothing at all is clear with Fury when it comes to his ATG status. A huge part of being great has to do with title defenses and how long the fighter maintains being the baddest man on the planet.

And let’s be honest here for a minute. Fury is probably the luckiest boxer on the planet that he happened to have Jack reffing the first Wilder fight because 99% of all refs would have called the fight off without counting on that knockdown. How he didn’t shows what a great ref he is but let’s be honest, that could have clearly been a knockout loss. The fact that it got to that situation can’t help the greatness claim much.

sibbo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 10:59

caldo2025 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 10:37

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 08:09 He is THE ATG

You judge ATG by would they be able to beat any of the boxers before, and the answer is a resounding yes.

People look at the 70s and 80s with rose-tinted glasses. Athletes get better with every generation. Fact.

Ali and Foreman and the rest NEVER fought anybody who comes CLOSE to the SIZE of Tyson Fury. And I know some bonehead will come in and say "sIzE IsN't EvErYtHiNg LoOk aT vAlUeV" ignoring the fact that not only is Fury massive, he uses his height and weight extremely well AND he moves like someone much smaller. Fact

No boxer from the past with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko would beat Fury because of the sheer size and weight difference. Joe Lewis was just 6'1. Marciano was just 5'8. Foreman, considered a giant of his time, would be average height at best today. Fact.

Your high again. Dude, try to hit that stuff less so you can make sense of stuff. Nothing at all is clear with Fury when it comes to his ATG status. A huge part of being great has to do with title defenses and how long the fighter maintains being the baddest man on the planet.

And let’s be honest here for a minute. Fury is probably the luckiest boxer on the planet that he happened to have Jack reffing the first Wilder fight because 99% of all refs would have called the fight off without counting on that knockdown. How he didn’t shows what a great ref he is but let’s be honest, that could have clearly been a knockout loss. The fact that it got to that situation can’t help the greatness claim much.

So Fury is the luckiest boxer on the planet because the ref did his job correctly? And then goes on to get jobbed by the judges.... Not that lucky in my opinion.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2022, 11:30 I think fighters should be given a count. I remember Bruce Seldon didn't move for 8-9 seconds, got up immediately, and then won the fight. Waving it off doesn't protect anyone's health. See how the fighter reacts first. Give him a count.