Congratulations Boxing on a clear P4P #1 Fighter Devin Haney!

[H8Usernames]

It has been sort of problematic for boxing not having a clear P4P #1 fighter. Some have been claiming that Canelo holds that spot while others have made claims about Terrence Crawford and some were talking about Vasili Lomachenko a while back.

With a crystal clear victory over a fantastic fighter Devin Haney has however proven that he is the P4P #1 fighter and nobody else.

Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford would have to do incredible things to prove themselves somehow above and beyond Devin Haney.

On the slight chance that Haney loses his rematch then this crown would in my opinion fall to his opponent.

How long will Haney’s reign last? Will he go up to 140 to dominate that division also? Will he be able to overtake 147 in a few years?

This is exciting stuff.

[Perkin Warbeck]

He's shown himself to be a very good young boxer and may have a great future, but it's far too soon to declare him as the P4P #1 fighter.

[KiwiRider]

I don't think he is even #1 in his weight class.
He beat JoJo, and Kambosos who beat an out of sorts Teo.
He hasn't beaten Loma, Davis, Garcia, or Lopez. One could argue Cruz as well.
Two decent wins are great, and he has all the trinkets, but you can't say he is even the best LW right now. He might be, Loma is getting old, Garcia is out on a doctors note, Lopez is busy and Davis isn't allowed to fight genuine opponents.

[oogiebe]

He ain't proven P4P #1 by any means. WTF HH?

[DrDuke]

Not even in the top 10 p4p. I'd pick Lomachenko and Davis to beat him.

[H8Usernames]

Yes ofcourse not, semi retired Canelo and Crawford are much more logical at the #1 spot. Mr Size Fury, Guttless wonder Spence, semi retired decisively beaten Lomachenko or unproven Shakur or someone else.

I'm not saying that I am some big fan of Haney’s, matter of fact I was rooting for Kambosos but this is what it is gentlemen, Devin Haney is the P4P best fighter in the sport of boxing today. Any claims to the contrary are just delusional.

[margaret thatcher]

obviously he aint #1 but haneys a candidate for the top 10 p4p for sure

although i think shak is actually the best from 130-140, but he needs to deepen his resume some first

[caldo2025]

Idiotic

[NateJR]

Idiotic

I think Haney deserves more credit than he's getting for beating Kambosos. Even after Haney easily outboxed Kambosos I still don't think people realize how good Haney actually is. Based on what I seen in the Kambosos fight, IMO Haney is the second best fighter from 130-140lbs only behind Shakur Stevenson.

I obviously don't agree with the OP that Haney is the clear #1 P4P fighter, but skill wise, like true skill he's top 5, easily. To say other wise you simply don't want to see what's in front of you. His body of work isn't there yet, but the fact he beat the man, that beat the man, that beat the man, says alot about the kid considering he's only 23 and the youngest of the bunch. He also clearly deserves to be #1 at 135 and I honestly believe he beats everyone at 135 and 140, even everyone's precious Lomachenko.

Simply put, this thread could age very well for the OP. Even if I don't at this moment completely agree.

[margaret thatcher]

usa ruling bitches!

[KiwiRider]

Idiotic

I think Haney deserves more credit than he's getting for beating Kambosos. Even after Haney easily outboxed Kambosos I still don't think people realize how good Haney actually is. Based on what I seen in the Kambosos fight, IMO Haney is the second best fighter from 130-140lbs only behind Shakur Stevenson.

I obviously don't agree with the OP that Haney is the clear #1 P4P fighter, but skill wise, like true skill he's top 5, easily. To say other wise you simply don't want to see what's in front of you. His body of work isn't there yet, but the fact he beat the man, that beat the man, that beat the man, says alot about the kid considering he's only 23 and the youngest of the bunch. He also clearly deserves to be #1 at 135 and I honestly believe he beats everyone at 135 and 140, even everyone's precious Lomachenko.

Simply put, this thread could age very well for the OP. Even if I don't at this moment completely agree.

Haney is good alright.
No question, especially for his age.
But you can't go talking about P4P when he isn't even clear in one division.
He may clear out the division, and has the size to move up and be successful if he wants. But right now he has to put in some work to even be in the conversation of top ten.

[Bandog]

Idiotic

I think Haney deserves more credit than he's getting for beating Kambosos. Even after Haney easily outboxed Kambosos I still don't think people realize how good Haney actually is. Based on what I seen in the Kambosos fight, IMO Haney is the second best fighter from 130-140lbs only behind Shakur Stevenson.

I obviously don't agree with the OP that Haney is the clear #1 P4P fighter, but skill wise, like true skill he's top 5, easily. To say other wise you simply don't want to see what's in front of you. His body of work isn't there yet, but the fact he beat the man, that beat the man, that beat the man, says alot about the kid considering he's only 23 and the youngest of the bunch. He also clearly deserves to be #1 at 135 and I honestly believe he beats everyone at 135 and 140, even everyone's precious Lomachenko.

Simply put, this thread could age very well for the OP. Even if I don't at this moment completely agree.

Haney is good alright.
No question, especially for his age.
But you can't go talking about P4P when he isn't even clear in one division.
He may clear out the division, and has the size to move up and be successful if he wants. But right now he has to put in some work to even be in the conversation of top ten.

As far as the clear in one division argument, I don't think Canelo beat all the best at any weight he's been at. He'll never fight all the best at 168 either. Crawford and Spence haven't achieved that either at 147. Opinions is all it is.

[Evander]

Haney fought well on the weekend no question, Number 1 P4P he isn't.

[giacomino]

We tend to have a new “clear” #1 every few weekends on here after somebody wins a big fight. That’s how Kambosos became the second coming after beating Lopez, who became the second coming after beating Loma. Unlike them, Haley has a few more good wins, but he’s no Inoue or Chocolatito

[H8Usernames]

List of undefeated undisputed boxing world champions:

1. Devin Haney

Enough said.

(Crawford ducking chickenshit Charlo most certainly does not count.)

[Bandog]

List of undefeated undisputed boxing world champions:

1. Devin Haney

Enough said.

(Crawford ducking chickenshit Charlo most certainly does not count.)

Mell isn't undefeated anyway.

[KiwiRider]

List of undefeated undisputed boxing world champions:

1. Devin Haney

Enough said.

(Crawford ducking chickenshit Charlo most certainly does not count.)

What does undefeated matter?
Undefeated generally means untested, or gently brought up.
Most of history's P4P current fighters had slews of losses from genuine challenges. Wait and see if Haney retains his "0" after fighting Loma/Lopez/Garcia/Davis which will make him the top Lightweight and put him on an achievement level the same as Uysk at cruiser, or Taylor (pre Catterall) at SLW.

[caldo2025]

Idiotic

I think Haney deserves more credit than he's getting for beating Kambosos. Even after Haney easily outboxed Kambosos I still don't think people realize how good Haney actually is. Based on what I seen in the Kambosos fight, IMO Haney is the second best fighter from 130-140lbs only behind Shakur Stevenson.

I obviously don't agree with the OP that Haney is the clear #1 P4P fighter, but skill wise, like true skill he's top 5, easily. To say other wise you simply don't want to see what's in front of you. His body of work isn't there yet, but the fact he beat the man, that beat the man, that beat the man, says alot about the kid considering he's only 23 and the youngest of the bunch. He also clearly deserves to be #1 at 135 and I honestly believe he beats everyone at 135 and 140, even everyone's precious Lomachenko.

Simply put, this thread could age very well for the OP. Even if I don't at this moment completely agree.

See, that’s the problem that I have with these kinds of posts. Why does everyone go out of their way to attempt to make that golden prediction type thought that now seems ridiculous but in time could prove to be true? This OP knew that his claim is ridiculous at this point and would ruffle some feathers. If he’s not an idiot, he knows that Haney would be lucky to make a top 10 P4P list currently. Could that change in 5 years if Haney was able to find another punch other than a jab…or some harnessed punching power that would just barely get him up and above Paulie Malignaggi?

The truth is that Haney has had 2 legitimate fights against worthy contenders. One he won without landing one significant right hand or even dazing Kambo and the other, he had to hug and molest the guy for the last 3 rounds in order to not get knocked out.

Can’t we stop predicting and start measuring boxers on accomplishments already achieved vs. Instagram likes? It’s just sad at this point.

[H8Usernames]

Sorry for making this thread guys. I didn't want to upset anyone. Maybe I really am an idiot.

I do however not think that the claim that Haney is P4P is ridiculous.

The win over Kambosos was phenomenal, people severely underrate Kambosos who himself belongs on the top 10 p4p lists and not just because of achievement but because of ability. Size the fellow up and who on earth beats a version of Kambo their own size? Usyk probably not, Canelo even less likely, Crawford would be tough to pick, GGG also not an easy prediction.

Who are the contenders for P4P #1 other than Haney? Canelo, Crawford, GGG and Usyk.

Canelo lost his last fight and is heading for a fan friendly trilogy fight that will tell us nothing about how he has recovered from the loss. Should he be p4p #1? Really?

Crawford is a man that nobody will fight, not his fault but he doesn't get to prove himself. If he was holding his Charlo and Spence wins then sure he would be undisputed p4p #1 but it's sort of the same with him and Canelo, dude has to be considered semi retired or something of the sort.

GGG going into a meaningless trilogy, definitely semi retired.

Other than Haney it's Usyk who has the best claim for p4p #1 at the moment but the fighters he beat at cw, none of them was as good as Kambosos and Joshua was just some fraud waiting to be exposed yet again.

Perhaps you fellows may not agree with me but this is my logic behind calling Haney P4P #1. If he isn't it then we don't currently have any P4P #1 fighter in boxing.

[Bandog]

Sorry for making this thread guys. I didn't want to upset anyone. Maybe I really am an idiot.

I do however not think that the claim that Haney is P4P is ridiculous.

The win over Kambosos was phenomenal, people severely underrate Kambosos who himself belongs on the top 10 p4p lists and not just because of achievement but because of ability. Size the fellow up and who on earth beats a version of Kambo their own size? Usyk probably not, Canelo even less likely, Crawford would be tough to pick, GGG also not an easy prediction.

Who are the contenders for P4P #1 other than Haney? Canelo, Crawford, GGG and Usyk.

Canelo lost his last fight and is heading for a fan friendly trilogy fight that will tell us nothing about how he has recovered from the loss. Should he be p4p #1? Really?

Crawford is a man that nobody will fight, not his fault but he doesn't get to prove himself. If he was holding his Charlo and Spence wins then sure he would be undisputed p4p #1 but it's sort of the same with him and Canelo, dude has to be considered semi retired or something of the sort.

GGG going into a meaningless trilogy, definitely semi retired.

Other than Haney it's Usyk who has the best claim for p4p #1 at the moment but the fighters he beat at cw, none of them was as good as Kambosos and Joshua was just some fraud waiting to be exposed yet again.

Perhaps you fellows may not agree with me but this is my logic behind calling Haney P4P #1. If he isn't it then we don't currently have any P4P #1 fighter in boxing.

I think the argument for Haney would be stronger if he beat Tank, Loma, or Shak Stevenson. He was willing to fight Tank and Loma, and SS is still 130.

Kombosis to me is barely top 5 at 135 in my eyes. Haney could be an atg, but too early to tell in my view.

Usyk had a so so performance before Joshua, and Struggled with Breidis. Definitely top 3 - 5 though.

To me, winner of Crawford vs Spence will own the fantasy beĺt of pfp king.

If Canelo legit beats Bivol, he reclaims it. His ego may even make him dumb enough to try. He needs to buy the first 6 rounds this time.

[H8Usernames]

Sorry for making this thread guys. I didn't want to upset anyone. Maybe I really am an idiot.

I do however not think that the claim that Haney is P4P is ridiculous.

The win over Kambosos was phenomenal, people severely underrate Kambosos who himself belongs on the top 10 p4p lists and not just because of achievement but because of ability. Size the fellow up and who on earth beats a version of Kambo their own size? Usyk probably not, Canelo even less likely, Crawford would be tough to pick, GGG also not an easy prediction.

Who are the contenders for P4P #1 other than Haney? Canelo, Crawford, GGG and Usyk.

Canelo lost his last fight and is heading for a fan friendly trilogy fight that will tell us nothing about how he has recovered from the loss. Should he be p4p #1? Really?

Crawford is a man that nobody will fight, not his fault but he doesn't get to prove himself. If he was holding his Charlo and Spence wins then sure he would be undisputed p4p #1 but it's sort of the same with him and Canelo, dude has to be considered semi retired or something of the sort.

GGG going into a meaningless trilogy, definitely semi retired.

Other than Haney it's Usyk who has the best claim for p4p #1 at the moment but the fighters he beat at cw, none of them was as good as Kambosos and Joshua was just some fraud waiting to be exposed yet again.

Perhaps you fellows may not agree with me but this is my logic behind calling Haney P4P #1. If he isn't it then we don't currently have any P4P #1 fighter in boxing.

I think the argument for Haney would be stronger if he beat Tank, Loma, or Shak Stevenson. He was willing to fight Tank and Loma, and SS is still 130.

Kombosis to me is barely top 5 at 135 in my eyes. Haney could be an atg, but too early to tell in my view.

Usyk had a so so performance before Joshua, and Struggled with Breidis. Definitely top 3 - 5 though.

To me, winner of Crawford vs Spence will own the fantasy beĺt of pfp king.

If Canelo legit beats Bivol, he reclaims it. His ego may even make him dumb enough to try. He needs to buy the first 6 rounds this time.

Kambosos has to be rated at #2 at 135 until someone takes that place from him. The man that beat the man that beat the man and then lost to Haney but in a very good effort.

The cocksucking that has taken place at 147 is unforgivable. Sure if one of them wins by ko1 then maybe one of them can claim the p4p 1 spot otherwise they have a long way to go.

[Bandog]

Sorry for making this thread guys. I didn't want to upset anyone. Maybe I really am an idiot.

I do however not think that the claim that Haney is P4P is ridiculous.

The win over Kambosos was phenomenal, people severely underrate Kambosos who himself belongs on the top 10 p4p lists and not just because of achievement but because of ability. Size the fellow up and who on earth beats a version of Kambo their own size? Usyk probably not, Canelo even less likely, Crawford would be tough to pick, GGG also not an easy prediction.

Who are the contenders for P4P #1 other than Haney? Canelo, Crawford, GGG and Usyk.

Canelo lost his last fight and is heading for a fan friendly trilogy fight that will tell us nothing about how he has recovered from the loss. Should he be p4p #1? Really?

Crawford is a man that nobody will fight, not his fault but he doesn't get to prove himself. If he was holding his Charlo and Spence wins then sure he would be undisputed p4p #1 but it's sort of the same with him and Canelo, dude has to be considered semi retired or something of the sort.

GGG going into a meaningless trilogy, definitely semi retired.

Other than Haney it's Usyk who has the best claim for p4p #1 at the moment but the fighters he beat at cw, none of them was as good as Kambosos and Joshua was just some fraud waiting to be exposed yet again.

Perhaps you fellows may not agree with me but this is my logic behind calling Haney P4P #1. If he isn't it then we don't currently have any P4P #1 fighter in boxing.

I think the argument for Haney would be stronger if he beat Tank, Loma, or Shak Stevenson. He was willing to fight Tank and Loma, and SS is still 130.

Kombosis to me is barely top 5 at 135 in my eyes. Haney could be an atg, but too early to tell in my view.

Usyk had a so so performance before Joshua, and Struggled with Breidis. Definitely top 3 - 5 though.

To me, winner of Crawford vs Spence will own the fantasy beĺt of pfp king.

If Canelo legit beats Bivol, he reclaims it. His ego may even make him dumb enough to try. He needs to buy the first 6 rounds this time.

Kambosos has to be rated at #2 at 135 until someone takes that place from him. The man that beat the man that beat the man and then lost to Haney but in a very good effort.

The cocksucking that has taken place at 147 is unforgivable. Sure if one of them wins by ko1 then maybe one of them can claim the p4p 1 spot otherwise they have a long way to go.

Kombosis should go up 5lbs and rematch a healthy Teo. He seems to struggle with making 135 anyway. Most look at his win as somewhat tainted due to Teos condition at the time.

At 135, I think Cruz, Garcia, Loma, Tank all beat GK. Stevenson would too. Maybe we'll find out.

[H8Usernames]

I think the argument for Haney would be stronger if he beat Tank, Loma, or Shak Stevenson. He was willing to fight Tank and Loma, and SS is still 130.

Kombosis to me is barely top 5 at 135 in my eyes. Haney could be an atg, but too early to tell in my view.

Usyk had a so so performance before Joshua, and Struggled with Breidis. Definitely top 3 - 5 though.

To me, winner of Crawford vs Spence will own the fantasy beĺt of pfp king.

If Canelo legit beats Bivol, he reclaims it. His ego may even make him dumb enough to try. He needs to buy the first 6 rounds this time.

Kambosos has to be rated at #2 at 135 until someone takes that place from him. The man that beat the man that beat the man and then lost to Haney but in a very good effort.

The cocksucking that has taken place at 147 is unforgivable. Sure if one of them wins by ko1 then maybe one of them can claim the p4p 1 spot otherwise they have a long way to go.

Kombosis should go up 5lbs and rematch a healthy Teo. He seems to struggle with making 135 anyway. Most look at his win as somewhat tainted due to Teos condition at the time.

At 135, I think Cruz, Garcia, Loma, Tank all beat GK. Stevenson would too. Maybe we'll find out.

It's very difficult to call the win over Teo tainted. First defense of undisputed championship. Not GK's fault that Teo had a bodyshot contest with Thor the Mountain before the fight or that Teo deployed a flawed gameplan. Considering all the stupid studf that Teo says and does, won't he just find some other way to "taint" his next loss? It's his own fault that he is an idiot.

Cruz, Garcia, Loma, Tank and Stevenson, what have they done? Did they whoop Teofimo? Did they give Haney a hell of a fight? They haven’t done anything lately. When and if they do then they can take the #2 spot, none of them is gonna be dumb enough to step into the ring vs GK however unless he wins the rematch.

[daz74]

Garcia had the chance to fight Haney, he was his mandatory, clearly Garcia didn’t want the fight, wonder why that was ?

[KiwiRider]

Garcia had the chance to fight Haney, he was his mandatory, clearly Garcia didn’t want the fight, wonder why that was ?

According to him, he is having a bit of mental illness.
We (and I believe the orgs) are cutting him some slack right now.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/28/ryan-gar ... d-anxiety/