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BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 03:22
by Ruthless-RKO
Image 🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. 🇺🇸 Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. 🇫🇮 Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - (#12)

4. 🇳🇿 Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. 🇬🇧 Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - (#8)

5. 🇬🇧 Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 04.09.2022 vs. 🇨🇺 Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 (#9)

7. 🇬🇧 Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. 🇳🇿 Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - (#5)

8. 🇨🇺 Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 04.09.2022 vs. 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 (#7)

9. 🇬🇧 Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight:TBA

10. 🇨🇩 Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. 🇸🇪 Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. 🇫🇮 Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. 🇺🇸 Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - (#3)

13. 🇨🇺 Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. 🇧🇬 Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. unranked

Questions: How does 🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk's - 19(13) 0 0 win over 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 2(1) 0 and 🇭🇷 Filip Hrgovic's - 15(12) 0 0 controversial win decision over 🇨🇳 Zhilei Zhang
- 24(19) 1(0) 1 affect the rankings?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 03:23
by Ruthless-RKO
Is there any point putting a poll up for Usyk?

Assuming he won rather clear, I can't see anyone moving him down..

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 03:25
by Ruthless-RKO
In regards to Joshua, I vote he remains for now.

Wilder doesn't deserve to move up yet above AJ.

Joyce, Parker, Ruiz and Ortiz are fighting next month, so it dpends on what they achieve for me..

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 04:07
by joshj909
Other than Usyks wins over himself, AJ has by far the best set of wins of any other active heavyweight. Anyone dropping him is doing based on their own biases.

Hrgovic to 15. I want to put Zhang in aswell for his efforts but I'm not sure he deserves it over Pulev. He probably does over Wallin though.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 04:12
by Ruthless-RKO
joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 04:07 Other than Usyks wins over himself, AJ has by far the best set of wins of any other active heavyweight. Anyone dropping him is doing based on their own biases.
Yeh, I can't see him dropping. As you said, it's gotta be a bias move to move him down.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 04:20
by Finkel
Joshua stays at 2
Zhang to 15 or leave it empty

He got jobbed on the cards, more than likely for political reasons outside of boxing.
The crowd were booing the result and the referee even started raising his hand. lol

Remember this is a card that gave the nod to Jack over Rivera, which included a 4 minute round! :oops:
And that awful Feldman card for Joshua.

They had their finger on the scales throughout.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 04:40
by gregregegg
USyk stays 1- Easy call

AJ stays 2 - Better res than wilder.

Hrgov to 15- very tentative grasp, Winner of mak vs takem will ultimently take this spot unless Its a controversial decision too which will then cause confusion.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 05:30
by DrDuke
Joshua and Usyk are same obviously.

Hrgovic should enter the top on paper, but after such 'win' it's better to leave a vacant place.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 05:52
by Ruthless-RKO
I've changed the poll.

get voting guys

Seen a mixture of answers so far..

some say 15, some want him and Zhang to enter, but no one deserves to drop..

Some say leave 15 empty..

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 06:05
by Controversial
Dubois not in the rankings?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 07:04
by CMCanavessi
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 06:05 Dubois not in the rankings?
Who has he beat besides nobody?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 07:36
by joshj909
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 07:04
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 06:05 Dubois not in the rankings?
Who has he beat besides nobody?
Trevor Bryan is his best win :lol: they say he did good against Joyce, we might aswell put Bryant Jennings in the top 15 then.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 07:51
by Controversial
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 07:04
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 06:05 Dubois not in the rankings?
Who has he beat besides nobody?
Well neither has Zhang and thats the question being asked

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 08:11
by CMCanavessi
Yeah but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Chisora got his ass whipped by Pulev and got to 9th.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 08:35
by tiny_acres
Joshua losing makes me think that the IBF leaving spots in the to 10 vacant is not a bad idea.
But since we can not vote #2 vacant and moving Joshua to 3 then I vote no change on Usyk or Joshua.
Zhang and Hrgovic are neither worthy of a top 15 spot.
Over the next couple of months I expect a big shake up in the ratings

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 09:45
by morm
Hrgovic to 14, he throws all night long punshes, Zhang was better in 5 rounds the last 40 sekunds
The buhh cam from chinas fans...
Hrgovic won this fight close

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 10:03
by oogiebe
Hrg did nothing to warrant top 15.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 10:40
by Ruthless-RKO
oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 10:03 Hrg did nothing to warrant top 15.
I agree..

I think most might vote him in, because on paper it's a win and it fills the #15..

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 11:11
by 1057230
zip change. hrg's resume so far is abysmal. barely surviving versus zhang goesn't put him top 15. end of.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 11:47
by Ruthless-RKO
I hope ur all voting too.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 11:59
by CMCanavessi
I woted for number 15 because I didn't even see the "remain unranked" one (which I would have voted if I wasn't half-asleep), so if you account for that it's now 5-5 :D

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 14:31
by Ruthless-RKO
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 11:59 I woted for number 15 because I didn't even see the "remain unranked" one (which I would have voted if I wasn't half-asleep), so if you account for that it's now 5-5 :D
It was the one below haha.

You can edit it now.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 14:57
by CMCanavessi
Isn't Zhang 24-1-1 btw?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 15:11
by Ruthless-RKO
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 14:57 Isn't Zhang 24-1-1 btw?
Yes thank you

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Joshua II / Hrgovic vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 Aug 2022, 19:19
by cpx2
Not putting Hrgovic in based on that performance. Makhmudov-Takam might be the next one worthy of consideration. Possibly Hunter-Fury after that.

If Dubois gets the fight with Whyte which is rumoured, then it could be him next up as well.