Lets be fair, Canelo's best win at 168 is 40 y/o GGG, which tell us how weak were the smw champs that Canelo fought

[apollo creed]

I mean old G put a better fight than the 168 lbs champions that Canelo fought. Weak smw era but the mw era of Canelo, GGG, Jacobs and Chenko was a good era.

[KiwiRider]

Hard to say.
Saunders was highly skilled but inactive, Plant had his moments but was untested. I think those two, on their game, were better in some ways than "old" GGG in the second and (especially) third fights.
I felt like Saunders capitulated once it wasn't all going his way, and Plant took the worst approach

[DrDuke]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

[Cent0089]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

[DrDuke]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

[Cent0089]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

[DrDuke]

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

Yeah, we have some misunderstanding here. I didn't want to compare Canelo with the other undisputed champs. I meant, it would have been harder for Canelo to go for the undisputed championship at MW or at LHW in comparison to SMW.

[apollo creed]

Hard to say.
Saunders was highly skilled but inactive, Plant had his moments but was untested. I think those two, on their game, were better in some ways than "old" GGG in the second and (especially) third fights.
I felt like Saunders capitulated once it wasn't all going his way, and Plant took the worst approach

lol, Those smw champs were just paper champs and they didn't fought no real competition. They kept those belts hostage. They didn't have no serious intention to unify their titles before Canelo wanting to fight them. They were just lucky that Canelo pick them to fight and they got big paydays.

[apollo creed]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

True, not to say that Benavidez was out of the game, so it was the right time for Canelo to attack those smw titles.

[apollo creed]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

Those guys were paper champs. They didn't have the will to fight each other and unify their titles before Canelo picked them to fight.

That smw era was weak with no real competition. I mean did Benavidez, Plant, Callum and BJS fought each other and we dodn't know?!

[apollo creed]

It was obvious, that the SMW was the easiest route for the undisputed. The less experienced and the least marketable fighters were there.

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

True, those smw "champs" were there to be taken by Canelo.

[apollo creed]

Easiest route? He fought 3 undefeated champs for those belts. Who had harder way to undisputed besides Usyk?

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

The competition that Usyk fought at CW was stellar in comparation with Canelo's at smw, (Plant, BJS and Callum).

We talk about the weak competition and adversity that Canelo had it at smw. So, old G was better than Plant, BJS and Callum in terms of adversity.

[apollo creed]

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

Yeah, we have some misunderstanding here. I didn't want to compare Canelo with the other undisputed champs. I meant, it would have been harder for Canelo to go for the undisputed championship at MW or at LHW in comparison to SMW.

which is true, Canelo had a much easy route winning those belts at smw.

[Cent0089]

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

The competition that Usyk fought at CW was stellar in comparation with Canelo's at smw, (Plant, BJS and Callum).

We talk about the weak competition and adversity that Canelo had it at smw. So, old G was better than Plant, BJS and Callum in terms of adversity.

Who, besides Usyk had harder way to undisputed championship than Alvarez?

[Cent0089]

It seems you're quite sold on what the paper says abouts 0s and the abc-straps.

So, you really think it was harder for Canelo to fight these '3 undefeated champs' than Golovkin or Bivol?

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

Yeah, we have some misunderstanding here. I didn't want to compare Canelo with the other undisputed champs. I meant, it would have been harder for Canelo to go for the undisputed championship at MW or at LHW in comparison to SMW.

Heah, 175 is just too much for him. I dont even know who is 160 lbs beltholders

[881073]

It reminds me a bit about Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis.

Rocky Marciano had his second fight at the age of 24, became the champion of the world at the age of 29 and retired at the age of 32 after fighting a 42 year old guy in his last world title defence.

Meanwhile Joe Louis has won every price Rocky Marciano ever won in his life at the age of 24, and was still defending all of those prices the age of 36 and later came out of retirement especially to fight Rocky Marciano.

Yes, Rocky Marciano won against Joe Louis and yes, Rocky Marciano has never been defeated, somehow it's pretty obvious to me that Joe Louis had a far more impressive carreer then Rocky Marciano had.
Essentially Rocky Marciano defended his world titles for a totall of 156 WEEKS while Joe Louis defended the same titles for 156 MONTHS!

[Mexi-Box]

Im not english speaker. You mean if Saunders, Smith and Plant fights were harder than Bivol and Golovkin fights? Definitely not. I was talking about getting undisputed championship status. Only Usyk got undisputed champion status harder way than Canelo. Haney beat kambosos on point and he is undisputed. You said Canelo had easiest way to undisputed. I dont think so

The competition that Usyk fought at CW was stellar in comparation with Canelo's at smw, (Plant, BJS and Callum).

We talk about the weak competition and adversity that Canelo had it at smw. So, old G was better than Plant, BJS and Callum in terms of adversity.

Who, besides Usyk had harder way to undisputed championship than Alvarez?

Tefimo Lopez had to fight Lomachenko and Commey for undisputed, and Taylor had to fight Prograis and Ramirez. I'd say both had a harder route than Canelo did at SMW.

I'd say old GGG is leagues better than Plant, Saunders, and Smith. It isn't even close. GGG had a close fight while Canelo just destroyed the 3 best at SMW.

[Cent0089]

The competition that Usyk fought at CW was stellar in comparation with Canelo's at smw, (Plant, BJS and Callum).

We talk about the weak competition and adversity that Canelo had it at smw. So, old G was better than Plant, BJS and Callum in terms of adversity.

Who, besides Usyk had harder way to undisputed championship than Alvarez?

Tefimo Lopez had to fight Lomachenko and Commey for undisputed, and Taylor had to fight Prograis and Ramirez. I'd say both had a harder route than Canelo did at SMW.

I'd say old GGG is leagues better than Plant, Saunders, and Smith. It isn't even close. GGG had a close fight while Canelo just destroyed the 3 best at SMW.

Ive completely forgot about Taylor. My bad. Speaking of Lopez, commey was just at level od Plant, Smith and Saunders, maybe lower. Lomachenko is huge win, but he displayed pathetic performance. Really dont know if those 2 fights were bigger than 3 alvarez fights

[apollo creed]

The competition that Usyk fought at CW was stellar in comparation with Canelo's at smw, (Plant, BJS and Callum).

We talk about the weak competition and adversity that Canelo had it at smw. So, old G was better than Plant, BJS and Callum in terms of adversity.

Who, besides Usyk had harder way to undisputed championship than Alvarez?

Tefimo Lopez had to fight Lomachenko and Commey for undisputed, and Taylor had to fight Prograis and Ramirez. I'd say both had a harder route than Canelo did at SMW.

I'd say old GGG is leagues better than Plant, Saunders, and Smith. It isn't even close. GGG had a close fight while Canelo just destroyed the 3 best at SMW.

True. And Canelo could not even beat up an old version of G, which tell us how weak were the smw champions that Canelo has fought.

The thing is if Canelo would've fought in S6 vs Ward, Froch, Dirrell, Kessler, I think Canelo would've lost to all of them, of course if the judging was fair.

Even against prime 168 pounders like Badou Jack, DeGale and Groves, I think Canelo would've had trouble.

[si7dog7]

Hard to say.
Saunders was highly skilled but inactive, Plant had his moments but was untested. I think those two, on their game, were better in some ways than "old" GGG in the second and (especially) third fights.
I felt like Saunders capitulated once it wasn't all going his way, and Plant took the worst approach

Saunders capitulation was due to a fractured eye socket
Otherwise he was doing pretty well and maybe just maybe

To be told he ducked into a shot that done him

Your narrative though is bollox

[KiwiRider]

Hard to say.
Saunders was highly skilled but inactive, Plant had his moments but was untested. I think those two, on their game, were better in some ways than "old" GGG in the second and (especially) third fights.
I felt like Saunders capitulated once it wasn't all going his way, and Plant took the worst approach

Saunders capitulation was due to a fractured eye socket
Otherwise he was doing pretty well and maybe just maybe

To be told he ducked into a shot that done him

Your narrative though is bollox

As far as I know, Saunders never underwent any surgery for it. Where on earth did I say he ducked into a shot that done him??
Maybe I'm wrong because apparently my narrative is bollocks.?

[H8Usernames]

"Lets be fair, Canelo's best win at 168 is 40 y/o GGG, which tell us how weak were the smw champs that Canelo fought."

True.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hard to say.
Saunders was highly skilled but inactive, Plant had his moments but was untested. I think those two, on their game, were better in some ways than "old" GGG in the second and (especially) third fights.
I felt like Saunders capitulated once it wasn't all going his way, and Plant took the worst approach

Saunders capitulation was due to a fractured eye socket
Otherwise he was doing pretty well and maybe just maybe

To be told he ducked into a shot that done him

Your narrative though is bollox

As far as I know, Saunders never underwent any surgery for it. Where on earth did I say he ducked into a shot that done him??
Maybe I'm wrong because apparently my narrative is bollocks.?

To be fair Kiwi, it was pretty clear he'd broken something, you could see where the bone had collapsed under the soft tissue.

[KiwiRider]

Saunders capitulation was due to a fractured eye socket
Otherwise he was doing pretty well and maybe just maybe

To be told he ducked into a shot that done him

Your narrative though is bollox

As far as I know, Saunders never underwent any surgery for it. Where on earth did I say he ducked into a shot that done him??
Maybe I'm wrong because apparently my narrative is bollocks.?

To be fair Kiwi, it was pretty clear he'd broken something, you could see where the bone had collapsed under the soft tissue.

I thought the surgery would be all over his social but I didn't see it. Especially after he had a go at DDD for stopping in his fight not long before for the same injury.
I admitted in my post I wasn't sure.
But I never said what I was accused of.

[jamesmcdonnell]

As far as I know, Saunders never underwent any surgery for it. Where on earth did I say he ducked into a shot that done him??
Maybe I'm wrong because apparently my narrative is bollocks.?

To be fair Kiwi, it was pretty clear he'd broken something, you could see where the bone had collapsed under the soft tissue.

I thought the surgery would be all over his social but I didn't see it. Especially after he had a go at DDD for stopping in his fight not long before for the same injury.
I admitted in my post I wasn't sure.
But I never said what I was accused of.

What were you accused of?