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Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 16:36 It's too bad we didn't see Ortiz in with better opponents as that might give us a better gauge of how good he is.

I was inspired to make the threat based on wondering how this era compares with the 1990s and Ortiz basically seems like this eras equivalent of tubbs in the 1990s. Both are leftovers from the prior era but hung around for a while.

I thought the following were other good 90s vs Fury/Usyk era matchups
Fury vs Lewis
Bowe vs Joshua
Holyfield vs Usyk
Moorer vs Parker
Bruno vs Whyte
Povetkin vs Withersdpoon
Pulev vs Tucker
Norris vs Ruiz

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 10:39 Guys from the 90s would have gone 7-1. Some pretty clear differences here. Guess Orlin Norris would have lost.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 10:39 Guys from the 90s would have gone 7-1. Some pretty clear differences here. Guess Orlin Norris would have lost.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 15:48 Wow. After all this time you still don't get it.

Most of the time, when a fighter starts out, he isn't fighting 10-round fights. He is fighting 4 or 6 round fights against low level fighters on the undercard. If he does well enough, he usually moves up to fighting in 8 round and eventually 10-round fights.

Look at almost every fight card. The best fighters are fighting 10-round fighters and the lower level and/or inexperienced fighters fight 4 and 6 round fights.

Usually, (certainly not always) a guy fighting in 10-round fight is better than a guy fighting in a 6 round fight.

This is pretty much how it has been in boxing for more than 80 years.

Unbelievable that you don't understand this.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 22:04

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 10:39 Guys from the 90s would have gone 7-1. Some pretty clear differences here. Guess Orlin Norris would have lost.

I would think Usyk would have a good shot against Holyfield based on work rate. He throws 700+ punches per fight and could beat Holyfield by out working him.

I think Moorer, Lewis, and Bruno could be favored to win their matches though.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:02 In post a few years ago, Usyk was being portrayed as some sort of legend. I pointed out that he had only 16 or 17 fights, and the first few were against stiffs in preliminary fights. (You didn't even know what it meant to call someone a 10-round fighter, which is unbelievable for anyone following the sport for any length of time. )
Thought it was a little too early to be calling him a legend. Then later, there was some comparison between him and Toney at cruiserweight; and somebody were saying Toney had not fought much at cruiserweight. I pointed out his fights compared to Usyk. That was about it.

(For the record, I think Usyk is a very good fighter. Just don't think he is the same class as someone like Holyfield.)

But you once are obsessed with this and bring it up constantly.
Sort of like when I made a comment in passing about Cleveland Williams once. You got obsessed with him then started 5 or 6 posts about him and always mock him with some carefully worded phrases. I don't think I have ever started a thread about Cleveland Williams.

you are the one bringing the same thing up over and over. Give it a frikkin rest.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:02 In post a few years ago, Usyk was being portrayed as some sort of legend. I pointed out that he had only 16 or 17 fights, and the first few were against stiffs in preliminary fights. (You didn't even know what it meant to call someone a 10-round fighter, which is unbelievable for anyone following the sport for any length of time. )
Thought it was a little too early to be calling him a legend. Then later, there was some comparison between him and Toney at cruiserweight; and somebody were saying Toney had not fought much at cruiserweight. I pointed out his fights compared to Usyk. That was about it.

(For the record, I think Usyk is a very good fighter. Just don't think he is the same class as someone like Holyfield.)

But you once are obsessed with this and bring it up constantly.
Sort of like when I made a comment in passing about Cleveland Williams once. You got obsessed with him then started 5 or 6 posts about him and always mock him with some carefully worded phrases. I don't think I have ever started a thread about Cleveland Williams.

you are the one bringing the same thing up over and over. Give it a frikkin rest.