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BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 15:51
by Ruthless-RKO
Current ranking:
Tyson Fury -
32(23) 0 1 - next fight:
03.12.2022 vs.
Dereck Chisora -
33(23) 12(3) 0 (
#9)
2.
Oleksandr Usyk -
20(13) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
3.
Anthony Joshua -
24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
4.
Deontay Wilder -
43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight:
TBA
5.
Joe Joyce -
15(14) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
6.
Andy Ruiz Jr -
35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
7.
Joseph Parker -
30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
8.
Dillian Whyte -
29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight:
TBA
9.
Dereck Chisora -
33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight:
03.12.2022 vs.
Tyson Fury -
32(23) 0 1 - (
)
10.
Martin Bakole -
18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
11.
Luis Ortiz -
33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight:
TBA
12.
Frank Sanchez -
21(14) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
13.
Otto Wallin -
24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
14.
Kubrat Pulev -
29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight:
TBA
15.
Filip Hrgovic -
15(12) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
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Questions: How are the rankings affected after
Whyte's majority decision win over
Franklin and
Jalalov's stoppage win over
Harper?
We'll start the polls with Whyte.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 17:58
by margaret thatcher
no change
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 18:02
by oogiebe
Nothing changes.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 18:36
by CMCanavessi
I voted 7th (Parker hasn't done anything lately), but I'm perfectly ok with him staying 8th.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 20:30
by gregregegg
I thought Whyte edged it but most think he lost, to a guy that most didn’t have top 50.
If most people think whyte lost to someone they didn’t have top 50 hard to say you should hold your spot at 8. Wild to be voted higher based on that.
It was an undeniably poor performance. I think Whyte has been poor every fight in the last 3 years.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 20:38
by cpx2
Wasn't terribly impressed with Whyte, not sure he'd have done any better than Parker against Joyce, but he did edge the win by winning the championship rounds against a decent operator. Keep him at 8.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 08:45
by joshj909
Wasn't it your rule from the last time out that we cannot vote a boxer down for winning a fight? Double standards here...
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 09:06
by Ruthless-RKO
joshj909 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 08:45
Wasn't it your rule from the last time out that we cannot vote a boxer down for winning a fight? Double standards here...
I got told off.. Because apparently, it should be an option.
Not really my rules on this. We do it collectively don't we?
My vote is to keep him at 8.
Just because it's an option to vote him down, doesn't mean you need to,
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 15:21
by gregregegg
you got to be able to vote down on a win.
If AJ fought Lenroy Thomas and got knocked down 6 times then in the 11th round lenroy dislocated his shoulder and retired hurt... it would be insane for AJ to hold his position.
Above is an absurd over exagerated example, but as for reality i dont see how people can think whyte lost 7+ rounds agains world number 50 and not go back a spot or 2. If the judges gave it to franklin we clearly would of voted whyte down, even if the fight was identical.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 15:48
by margaret thatcher
gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:21
you got to be able to vote down on a win.
If AJ fought Lenroy Thomas and got knocked down 6 times then in the 11th round lenroy dislocated his shoulder and retired hurt... it would be insane for AJ to hold his position.
Above is an absurd over exagerated example, but as for reality i dont see how people can think whyte lost 7+ rounds agains world number 50 and not go back a spot or 2. If the judges gave it to franklin we clearly would of voted whyte down, even if the fight was identical.
plus sometimes fighters just drift too far up , have been inactive, etc....if they score a meaningless win or struggle badly vs someone they shouldnt it's sometimes fair to move them down
i dont move whyte down here though because i think he got ranked slightly too low after the fury loss , hence now he's actually where he should be after a performance like this
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 17:34
by Ruthless-RKO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:48
gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:21
you got to be able to vote down on a win.
If AJ fought Lenroy Thomas and got knocked down 6 times then in the 11th round lenroy dislocated his shoulder and retired hurt... it would be insane for AJ to hold his position.
Above is an absurd over exagerated example, but as for reality i dont see how people can think whyte lost 7+ rounds agains world number 50 and not go back a spot or 2. If the judges gave it to franklin we clearly would of voted whyte down, even if the fight was identical.
plus sometimes fighters just drift too far up , have been inactive, etc....if they score a meaningless win or struggle badly vs someone they shouldnt it's sometimes fair to move them down
i dont move whyte down here though because i think he got ranked slightly too low after the fury loss , hence now he's actually where he should be after a performance like this
Yeh he got sparked against Fury.
But I think the ‘push’ did more damage.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 17:54
by adislav123
no change. end of.
where does del boy go if he knocks fury out cold this week?
hypothetical question as it's highly unlikely it will happen...
he'd go right to the tipety top, right?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 00:15
by margaret thatcher
if chisora wins usyk #1
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 02:30
by DrDuke
Whyte has barely handled an unranked fighter. Jalolov fought a can. No change.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 02:50
by gregregegg
Get ready for the best Christmas present ever when lucus big daddy brown enters our top 15. If he chins char he will be deadset close hahah.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 04:19
by KiwiRider
Stay the same.
I want to drop Whyte a spot but not below Chisora. I think he lost to Franklin, or at best drew.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 06:13
by gregregegg
KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 04:19
Stay the same.
I want to drop Whyte a spot but not below Chisora. I think he lost to Franklin, or at best drew.
Chisora did as well vs parker and pulev as whyte did vs franlin... why not drop him bellow. It kinda feels wrong because chisora is older and should be more faded, but i think whyte has faded from his prime more than chisora has....
Can always correct it If/when fury batters chissy boy.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 07:03
by CMCanavessi
gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:21
you got to be able to vote down on a win.
If AJ fought Lenroy Thomas and got knocked down 6 times then in the 11th round lenroy dislocated his shoulder and retired hurt... it would be insane for AJ to hold his position.
Above is an absurd over exagerated example, but as for reality i dont see how people can think whyte lost 7+ rounds agains world number 50 and not go back a spot or 2. If the judges gave it to franklin we clearly would of voted whyte down, even if the fight was identical.
That's true. If the judges had given the win to Franklin I would have voted him out of the top 15. His performance was quite appalling, but a win is a win is a win. So keeping him at 8th looks ok, at least until he's sent to sleep by someone not named Tyson Fury.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 07:12
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 07:31
by Ruthless-RKO
Dillian Whyte Defends Performance: “I Went Into The Fight With A Biceps Injury, Chest Infection”
“I never get no credit,” said Whyte on Behind The Gloves. “I fought a young undefeated guy. I went into the fight with a biceps injury, chest infection.”
“The main thing with me was mentally. You’ve seen fighters lose lately. It’s not easy.”
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 13:58
by KiwiRider
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 07:31
Dillian Whyte Defends Performance: “I Went Into The Fight With A Biceps Injury, Chest Infection”
“I never get no credit,” said Whyte on Behind The Gloves. “I fought a young undefeated guy. I went into the fight with a biceps injury, chest infection.”
“The main thing with me was mentally. You’ve seen fighters lose lately. It’s not easy.”
Allow me to interpret that statement :
He was up against a top 50 short blobby with pillows for fists in a fight set up perfectly to make a big statement ready for the rematch with AJ - and he lost.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 17:27
by DrDuke
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 07:31
Dillian Whyte Defends Performance: “I Went Into The Fight With A Biceps Injury, Chest Infection”
“I never get no credit,” said Whyte on Behind The Gloves. “I fought a young undefeated guy. I went into the fight with a biceps injury, chest infection.”
“The main thing with me was mentally. You’ve seen fighters lose lately. It’s not easy.”
Btw, the fat Franklin should have received a loss against Jerry Forrest.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 29 Nov 2022, 17:31
by Ruthless-RKO
DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 17:27
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 07:31
Dillian Whyte Defends Performance: “I Went Into The Fight With A Biceps Injury, Chest Infection”
“I never get no credit,” said Whyte on Behind The Gloves. “I fought a young undefeated guy. I went into the fight with a biceps injury, chest infection.”
“The main thing with me was mentally. You’ve seen fighters lose lately. It’s not easy.”
Btw, the fat Franklin should have received a loss against Jerry Forrest.
Yeh. Didn’t he claim to be ill after that too.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 30 Nov 2022, 00:06
by SportsRatings
adislav123 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 17:54
no change. end of.
where does del boy go if he knocks fury out cold this week?
hypothetical question as it's highly unlikely it will happen...
he'd go right to the tipety top, right?
First we'd have to start spelling his name correctly
Apparently it's Derek although everyone has been spelling it Dereck until very recently. BoxRec and Wikipedia now both say Derek
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Whyte vs. Franklin / Jalolov vs. Harper
Posted: 30 Nov 2022, 05:36
by Ruthless-RKO
Will close this soon.
Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. 
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA
Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA
Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA
Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA
Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA
Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA