BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wallin vs. Olguin

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joseph Parker - 31(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 25(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA

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Question: How does Wallin's points win over Olguin affect his ranking?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hear me out..

We've given him the benefit of the doubt the last year or so.

He used to be much higher, but he's now between the crappy #11 to #15 which has been a clusterfvck for a while.

Any one of them could be ranked anywhere really.

If we didn't have recent rumours that he's possibly be fighting AJ and the recent Whyte rumours, then i'd be inclined to drop him out, but then I see this as a stay-busy ish fight.

One reason I don't want drop him is because, no one out really has done anything stand out to enter.

Pulev, Hrgovic or Chisora don't really deserve to be any higher, the only argument is Hrgovic really.

We can discuss this, then maybe put a poll up or i'll just gather the votes from everyone's posts.

I want as many people giving reason.

Thank you.

[joshj909]

Best and only top 50 win in Breazeale which was 2 years ago now and that was probably around #25 or so then. That win was overrated in the first place and hasn't necessarily aged to make it look any better. Most people have Wallin here because he cut Fury and won a couple of rounds in a wide loss. Others now have better wins in my opinion.

Wallin OUT, Makhmudov IN at #15 based on the best recent (3 years) record out of a bad bunch. I think Ajagba actually has the next best wins despite losing to #11 Sanchez but Pulev should probably be out next if Yoka beats Takam.

9) Bakole (best recent win is Boxrec #16 Yoka)
10) Ortiz (best recent win is Boxrec #32 Martin)
11) Sanchez (best recent win is Boxrec #15 Ajagba)
12) Wallin (best recent win is retired? Breazeale)
13) Pulev (best recent win Boxrec #45 Forrest and a loss to Forum #15 Chisora)
14) Hrgovic (best recent win is Boxrec #26 Zhang)
15) Chisora (best recent win is Forum #13 Pulev)

Other options to enter has to be one of the below:
- Dubois (best recent win is Boxrec #90 Gorman?)
- Yoka (best recent win is Bridgerweight Milas)
- Makhmudov (best recent win is Boxrec #41 Takam)
- Anderson (best recent win is Boxrec #45 Forrest)
- Franklin (best recent win is Boxrec #45 Forrest)
- Ajagba (best recent win is Boxrec #22/#20 Shaw/Demirezen with a loss to Forum #11 Sanchez)
- Zhang (questionable loss to #14 Hrgovic and draw to #45 Forrest. Best actual win is awful)

[cpx2]

Wallin definitely out until he fights a reasonable calibre of opposition. I’d put Dubois, Makhmudov, Zhang or Franklin in to replace him.

[pound per pound]

Best and only top 50 win in Breazeale which was 2 years ago now and that was probably around #25 or so then. That win was overrated in the first place and hasn't necessarily aged to make it look any better. Most people have Wallin here because he cut Fury and won a couple of rounds in a wide loss. Others now have better wins in my opinion.

Wallin OUT, Makhmudov IN at #15 based on the best recent (3 years) record out of a bad bunch. I think Ajagba actually has the next best wins despite losing to #11 Sanchez but Pulev should probably be out next if Yoka beats Takam.

9) Bakole (best recent win is Boxrec #16 Yoka)
10) Ortiz (best recent win is Boxrec #32 Martin)
11) Sanchez (best recent win is Boxrec #15 Ajagba)
12) Wallin (best recent win is retired? Breazeale)
13) Pulev (best recent win Boxrec #45 Forrest and a loss to Forum #15 Chisora)
14) Hrgovic (best recent win is Boxrec #26 Zhang)
15) Chisora (best recent win is Forum #13 Pulev)

Other options to enter has to be one of the below:
- Dubois (best recent win is Boxrec #90 Gorman?)
- Yoka (best recent win is Bridgerweight Milas)
- Makhmudov (best recent win is Boxrec #41 Takam)
- Anderson (best recent win is Boxrec #45 Forrest)
- Franklin (best recent win is Boxrec #45 Forrest)
- Ajagba (best recent win is Boxrec #22/#20 Shaw/Demirezen with a loss to Forum #11 Sanchez)
- Zhang (questionable loss to #14 Hrgovic and draw to #45 Forrest. Best actual win is awful)

Wallin out. He has been over rated for years and Chisora at best is a has been mediocre contender, OUT

Move some if the younger guy in. These rankings in this thread do not factor in age or who the fighters has looked in his last fight or how he is trending, They should

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeh, looking at the last couple of years, plenty of boxers below out #15 have more and better wins.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Right, polls up.

Might be the most one-sided poll.

[joshj909]

Yeh, looking at the last couple of years, plenty of boxers below out #15 have more and better wins.

He's not the only one either! Ortiz and Pulev should probably get voted out next if they don't get a decent win in their next fight before they retire. I'd probably have Sanchez, Bakole, Hrgovic, Chisora, Ajagba, Makhmudov and Yoka in the bottom 7 of my rankings. Awful to think of considering their wins but it's slim pickings.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeh, looking at the last couple of years, plenty of boxers below out #15 have more and better wins.

He's not the only one either! Ortiz and Pulev should probably get voted out next if they don't get a decent win in their next fight before they retire.

100%

We did a fair vote and Chisora was really close to being out after the Fury loss.

I think if he or Pulev lose again, I can't see how anyone will keep them in.

[DrDuke]

No change. The guys down didn't do anything significant to go higher.

[tiny_acres]

Out.. Wallin does not need to be in scheduled 8 round fights and expect to stay in the top 15.
But I do not think those below him deserve to be moved up. Most deserved moved out.
The top 15 heavyweights are not very TOP. Pathetic era outside the top 5

[joshj909]

Who voted him to 11?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Who voted him to 11?

if I don’t see a comment of someone saying they want him at 11 and a reason then I’m not counting it.

[CMCanavessi]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

[joshj909]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

I remember when Dag did it. Did seem like a graft.

He basically told everyone to put up their top 15.. and he did a points system..

1 - 30 points
2 - 25 points

And so on.

We’re out of covid to be fair and boxers should be back to at least 1-2 fights a year.

If Pulev doesn’t have anything announced in the next few months, I’ll put a vote to it.

Thing with Chizzy and Ortiz, they did recently fight and as a result, they were voted down.

[joshj909]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

I remember when Dag did it. Did seem like a graft.

He basically told everyone to put up their top 15.. and he did a points system..

1 - 30 points
2 - 25 points

And so on.

We’re out of covid to be fair and boxers should be back to at least 1-2 fights a year.

If Pulev doesn’t have anything announced in the next few months, I’ll put a vote to it.

Thing with Chizzy and Ortiz, they did recently fight and as a result, they were voted down.

Maybe a review based an inactivity if they haven't had a fight within 12 months but they usually do, just not against high calibre opponents. I think the longest of the top 15 to fight was in May last year. Could just lump it in with another vote when it comes around. The difficulty is that everyone is comparing them with the guys ranked next to them, not those who could replace them.

[tiny_acres]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

I would love an annual vote on a new top 15. The problem for me is I couldn't name 15 heavyweights worthy of a space in it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I voted OUT

But I also want to vote for the execution of THE PURGE (we're in january and could do with a fresh ranking)

Ortiz, Pulev, Chisora all OUT together with Wallin.

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

I would love an annual vote on a new top 15. The problem for me is I couldn't name 15 heavyweights worthy of a space in it.

After picking the top 5-6, the rest become a pick’em

[tiny_acres]

An annual purge to cleanse inactivity and outdated wins would probably be needed. Some wins and inactivity can look very different 12 months later. Would have to vote from scratch though to be honest making it a lot of work.

I would love an annual vote on a new top 15. The problem for me is I couldn't name 15 heavyweights worthy of a space in it.

After picking the top 5-6, the rest become a pick’em

Honestly I could not think of 15 that are deserving

[gregregegg]

No top 15 with a fight booked is grim. In fact no one I’m the top 36 currently has a * next to there name. Looks like heavyweight fans are in for a very grim feb and probably a grim march…

[Ruthless-RKO]

Wrong thread

[margaret thatcher]

this is the thing when ppl say oh this guy or that guy should be out of our ratings because he's lost some fights, etc. well - you see how little the unranked guys have done ? it's hard to find guys really deserving once we get lower on the top 15

otter may well have used up his time, though if the whyte fight goes ahead he should be back if he wins

[HomicideHenry]

When you are fighting opponents 9-4-1 when you are supposed to be a bona fide top 10 or 15 contender you either should not move up or if anything you might be penalized for taking such soft opposition just to inflate your record.

Now if it was just the one time fighting somebody incredibly soft I would give the man a pass and say don't move him up just make no change to his ranking but looking at his record he also fought a man who had like 11 wins and 24 losses.

Not to mention facing the over the hill Rydell Booker. If this man is wanting the big fights he's not going to get them by facing this type of people he needs to force his way against somebody nobody wants to fight and try to win.

Put him against Michael Hunter or Hughie Fury, and if he wins then it would be an excusable for anyone not to mix it up with Otto Wallin. But this is not a good look at all for Wallin. Of all the heavyweights in the world you could have made a matchup with you're telling me that your management could only find a guy with that horrible of a record for you to mix it up with to stay busy with?

No change.

[Ruthless-RKO]

At this rate, Wallin is out