A question concerning scoring

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Sweet Dick Willie
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A question concerning scoring

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Fighter A is winning the round and scores, say, four knockdowns. Fighter B also knocks fighter A down two times during the same round. Is the round scored 8-5 or 10-7?

In the other thread someone said if there's no point deduction then one fighter must always get 10 points, but like I said I'm pretty sure I've seen rounds with multiple knockdowns scored like the one in my example, 8-5 or 9-7 or something like that.

Doesn't really matter to the outcome of the fight since the gap is still the same, I would just like to know what's the official way. Thanks!
joshj909
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Re: A question concerning scoring

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https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/ ... stem-works
How The Ten (10) Point Must System (The “System”) Works
There is no universal standard as to precisely how the System should be applied, but the ABC provides overarching guidance on the concept in its Official Certification Program for Judges and Referees (Certification Program),5 which states:

“the winner of each round will [i.e. “must”] receive 10 points, (minus any points deductions for fouls) with the lesser score awarded to the loser of the round (minus any points deductions for fouls).6 There are to be no fraction of points awarded, and in the event of an even round, the score will be 10/10. Even rounds should rarely, if ever happen.”
https://www.ringtv.com/122349-when-does ... 0-8-round/
WHEN DOES A KNOCK DOWN NOT RESULT IN A 10-8 ROUND?
The criteria for scoring a knock down is not based on the premise that the fighter who scores the knockdown automatically is awarded a 10-8. The correct criteria that is taught by Duane Ford in his ABC certification classes for boxing judges is:

If Fighter A is winning the round and scores a knockdown and continues to win the round after the knockdown, then Fighter A is awarded the round 10-8. However, if Fighter A is winning the round and gets knocked down by Fighter B, then Fighter B is awarded the round 10-9. The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown? Thus, most fans and TV commentators are incorrect in automatically scoring a 10-8 round for a fighter who scores a knock down without taking into consideration who won the round without the knock down.
The way I interpret it is that the 10 point must system requires that one fighter MUST get 10 points unless there is a point deduction. Then the interpretation of the balance of the round based on knockdowns is down for the judge to decide but usually it's a 10-8 unless there's domination other than the knockdown which would make it a 10-7, 10-9 or 10-10. A boxer who loses the round 10-9 after getting knocked down would have been winning 10-9 before it (and therefore losing a point for the knockdown while the winner must get 10 = 10-9). If the guy who is knocked down was winning the round 10-8 before the knockdown and then the guy who was losing inflicts a knockdown which would usually be a 10-8, then they are even on beating each other 10-8 offensively so it's a 10-10 draw. Hope that makes sense, fairly difficult to put into words.

When there's multiple knockdowns going either way, it gets more complicated, but if there are 3 knockdowns to 2, it should usually be 10-9 or 10-8. The knockdowns cancel each other out rather than accumulate.
Sweet Dick Willie
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Re: A question concerning scoring

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It does make sense, thanks josh!

Although I think what this quote says
There is no universal standard as to precisely how the System should be applied
has caused and will keep on causing many a headache while trying to figure out why judges score how they score or how referees referee... Not only talking about the ten point must system
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