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I struggle to find a place for him in the top 20 or 30 all-time to be honest. Mind you, I struggle with Wlad and Joshua too.

None of these are in the conversation.

Are they?

Really?

Wlad deserves a place of recognition. It was a very poor era, but he did face what was there and deservedly sat atop the dung heap.

Joshua fell short - Fury hasn't tried.

tonyevs wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 10:58 Wlad deserves a place of recognition. It was a very poor era, but he did face what was there and deservedly sat atop the dung heap.

Joshua fell short - Fury hasn't tried.

Can't rate him properly until he's finished fighting. At the moment, he's only beat an ancient Wlad and a wilder swinger who's beaten nobody good.

Don’t rate Fury, Joshua or Wilder in historical terms.

Don’t rate Wlad either, for that matter. Dominated a very weak era and would have been brutally ktfo by Vitali if they weren’t brothers.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 10:06 I struggle to find a place for him in the top 20 or 30 all-time to be honest. Mind you, I struggle with Wlad and Joshua too.

None of these are in the conversation.

Are they?

Really?

Vlad deserves to be in the top 20 for sure.

all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. (shades of)ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Fixed.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

I’d have slipped Luis Ortiz in at number 7 and dropped Holmes out. Agree with the rest though.

ah good eye, i was being harsh on luis there

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Absolute horseshít, mags, you should be ashamed. Where's Pajkic?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Wallin is too high, I've got him at 6

Tyson Fury doesn’t currently have any historical standing as one of the greats.
That may change but I don’t think it will.

dookus wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 16:35

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Absolute horseshít, mags, you should be ashamed. Where's Pajkic?

Where's John McDermott? Beat Fury in their first bout.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:11 Don’t rate Fury, Joshua or Wilder in historical terms.

Don’t rate Wlad either, for that matter. Dominated a very weak era and would have been brutally ktfo by Vitali if they weren’t brothers.

, Vlad dominated a very weal era , Fury has not even tried to dominate a possibly even weaker era

These comparisons should be made at the end of careers.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 15:58

dookus wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 16:35

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 15:46 all time top 10

1. fury
2. wilder
3. wlad
4. otto wallin
5. chisora
6. steve cunningham
7. ali
8. louis
9. foreman
10. holmes

Absolute horseshít, mags, you should be ashamed. Where's Pajkic?

Where's John McDermott? Beat Fury in their first bout.

Come on now, Teddy, who are we to question Terry O Connor's judgement? Having been knocked out by McDermott Sr, he was surely best-placed to objectively assess his son's performance against Fury.

if fury does usyk, AJ and another name fighter....say zhang or Andy Ruiz.... I'd put him in the top 30.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2023, 04:53 if fury does usyk, AJ and another name fighter....say zhang or Andy Ruiz.... I'd put him in the top 30.

I think he would need Hrgovic over Ruiz .. Hrg beat Zhang fairly recently, and Ruiz lost to AJ quite awhile back and has done practically nothing of note since.

Those Usyk, AJ, Zhang and Hrgovic fights would possibly take 3-4 yrs to do .. despite Fury saying he is after a new 10 fight deal, we all know he hasn't got long left - so they won't happen.

The thing is. I do f think there is anyone around near to give Iron Mike and I’ve got him 10-15 at best.
It’s all subjective of course. A matter of opinion.

Wlad might get number 20 coz he did beat Samuel Peter.
Ffs!

si7dog7 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2023, 12:46 The thing is. I do not think there is anyone around now, near to give an 80s Iron Mike an go and I’ve got him 10-15 at best.
It’s all subjective of course. A matter of opinion.

Wlad might get number 20 coz he did beat Samuel Peter.
Ffs!

And that made no sense. Sorry try again. See above. Hopefully

Wladimir is undoubtedly an all time Top 20 guy. I'd probably have him in the Top 10.

Fury has arguably surpassed Wladimir's accomplishments already or at least is on par with them. If he reigns a few more years, and gets the other names that are missing on his record in the Win column it elevates him greatly.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Oct 2023, 12:52 Wladimir is undoubtedly an all time Top 20 guy. I'd probably have him in the Top 10.

Fury has arguably surpassed Wladimir's accomplishments already or at least is on par with them. If he reigns a few more years, and gets the other names that are missing on his record in the Win column it elevates him greatly.

Surpassed Wlad’s accomplishments?
Really
Ok he beat him in a bore fest
But surpassed his accomplishments?
Just can’t see that. Sorry.

Pray tell your reasoning. I’m happy to doff my cap to a good counter argument.