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Finkel wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 00:04 US audiences weren't sold on paying PPV for a British title fight, and a lot of foreseeable mismatches

Finkel wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 00:04 and a lot of foreseeable mismatches

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 04:44

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

Ngannou is not one of the biggest draws in MMA. People saw this as a one-sided money grab. Fury's PPVs have slowly been dropping. Fury and Ngannou is nothing close to McGregor/Mayweather in terms of popularity. People have already seen crossovers and none have been entertaining or competitive so there's no reason it would still be a draw after the first one(s). Flopping at the box office is not an unreasonable thought but I imagine it did about 500-600k globally when you factor in DAZN PPVs aswell.

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 04:44

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

Ngannou is not one of the biggest draws in MMA. People saw this as a one-sided money grab. Fury's PPVs have slowly been dropping. Fury and Ngannou is nothing close to McGregor/Mayweather in terms of popularity. People have already seen crossovers and none have been entertaining or competitive so there's no reason it would still be a draw after the first one(s). Flopping at the box office is not an unreasonable thought but I imagine it did about 500-600k globally when you factor in DAZN PPVs aswell.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 05:35 Wardley v Adeleye was the main event

joshj909 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 07:06 You'd think Ngannou got a pretty flat fee with Fury getting a majority of the cut of PPV buys if any at all. Financially, the Saudi's are the real losers here but they didn't put the event on to turn a profit. Ngannou definitely the biggest winner out of this. Future events may not pay as well as a result of this though but I expect it to increase the buys for Ngannou's next boxing PPV.

Finkel wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 11:43

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 04:44

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

Ngannou is not one of the biggest draws in MMA. People saw this as a one-sided money grab. Fury's PPVs have slowly been dropping. Fury and Ngannou is nothing close to McGregor/Mayweather in terms of popularity. People have already seen crossovers and none have been entertaining or competitive so there's no reason it would still be a draw after the first one(s). Flopping at the box office is not an unreasonable thought but I imagine it did about 500-600k globally when you factor in DAZN PPVs aswell.

You are spot on that Simon Jordan being a moth piece for Warren is a meaningless source. TNT would release the numbers if they were reasonable to good.

This idea that Fury was a massive draw is only based on ticket sales involving popular opponents and inflated purses. They have been overpaying him for years to build him into an A-side fighter. Basically speculating to accumulate. But there was an obvious reason as to why the official PPV numbers were never revealed for any of his fights.

Brick Top went from forgetting the PPV sales, to giving vastly different numbers each time he was interviewed. Basically making it up as he went along to give a semblance of credibility to Fury's evermore outrageous purse demands

The problem was Team Usyk had access to Fury's actual PPV numbers.

Fury has a loyal core support, but he isn't some global draw like his fans want to believe he is. Never has been. He needs the right dance partner.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 05:17

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 04:44

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

Ngannou is not one of the biggest draws in MMA. People saw this as a one-sided money grab. Fury's PPVs have slowly been dropping. Fury and Ngannou is nothing close to McGregor/Mayweather in terms of popularity. People have already seen crossovers and none have been entertaining or competitive so there's no reason it would still be a draw after the first one(s). Flopping at the box office is not an unreasonable thought but I imagine it did about 500-600k globally when you factor in DAZN PPVs aswell.

Yh.. whereas people actually thought McGregor had a chance against Mayweather.

Finkel wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 11:43 Fury has a loyal core support, but he isn't some global draw like his fans want to believe he is. Never has been. He needs the right dance partner.

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Nov 2023, 02:47 Lots of people reporting that it did like 11k US + 56k ESPN+ + maybe 3-400k UK. The idea that this match-up could conceivably have done less than 400k is crazy to me, as it has the right names and spectacle involved to do at least 750k. Almost the exact same formula as Mayweather - McGregor, which did 4.3 million buys. And, while Fury isn't as big of a draw as Mayweather, he is indeed one of boxing's biggest draws right now. Different Fury cards have done 775k, 1.2 million, 900k, 800k, 500k, and 500k worldwide ppv buys. The idea that Fury - Chisora 3 could outsell Fury - Ngannou is like if Mayweather - Victor Ortiz outsold Mayweather - McGregor. Sh*t don't make sense. I'm sure Fury haters will say it does make sense, and their theories will be supported by more hateful attitudes towards Fury; but the fact is, no it doesn't make sense. One of the biggest draws in boxing fighting one of the biggest draws in MMA most definitely is a draw.

SportsRatings wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 06:12 And let's not forget that from the very beginning, people were calling it an "exhibition" who the hell would want to pay for an exhibition fight? And the rumors about a "no knock-down rule" which I still have never heard anyone explain wtf that would even be, you can't knock someone down? lol

So the ppl who hated Fury (like Eddie Hearn) and hated Ngannou (Dana White) were clearly sabotaging the event by having people say "exhibition" every chance they could get. It ended up being sanctioned as a real fight but even before that, it was a real pro boxing match with normal Queensbury rules and both fighters said it would count on their record. But all the coverage I saw kept saying "exhibition match" which is a killer from a financial point of view.

joshj909 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 06:50

SportsRatings wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 06:12 And let's not forget that from the very beginning, people were calling it an "exhibition" who the hell would want to pay for an exhibition fight? And the rumors about a "no knock-down rule" which I still have never heard anyone explain wtf that would even be, you can't knock someone down? lol

So the ppl who hated Fury (like Eddie Hearn) and hated Ngannou (Dana White) were clearly sabotaging the event by having people say "exhibition" every chance they could get. It ended up being sanctioned as a real fight but even before that, it was a real pro boxing match with normal Queensbury rules and both fighters said it would count on their record. But all the coverage I saw kept saying "exhibition match" which is a killer from a financial point of view.

If it was always going to be a professional fight then they would have confirmed it again and again for the sake of promotion. At the beginning Frank was asked and he said he hoped it would be a pro fight if they could get it sanctioned. You're deluded if you think it wasn't licensed on fairly short notice.

Evander wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 02:54

Finkel wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 00:04 US audiences weren't sold on paying PPV for a British title fight, and a lot of foreseeable mismatches

It was hardly promoted as a British title fight.
Wasn't it a Boxing v MMA trying boxing type of promotion, that's what I thought it was.