Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
Should bouts from 1971 being removed from Zarate's record because he was in jail at that time and not boxing ? Did he admit this in his Spanish language autobiography ? It seems that Bob Yalen has confirmed this.
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
It is more than likely just a case of wrongly dated fights. The details of the early records of many Mexican fighters cannot be trusted.
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
In the profile of Bob Yalen by Sports Illustrated, it's suggested that the bouts never happened. I don't read Spanish but Zarate's autobiography is said to confirm that his record contains bouts that never happened.
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
Dear me, that Sports Illustrated article:
https://www.si.com/boxing/2021/11/29/th ... aily-cover
The writer makes it seem as if Bob Yalen personally visits the Mexican national library. The mentioned Hemeroteca Nacional Digital de México is Mexico's online newspaper database. I'm sure, like the rest of us, the 'Fight Hunter' does his research from the comfort of his home.
I think the sole source of this, is that same S.I. article. Zarate supposedly admitting to it, fitting the narrative of the writer. I do speak Spanish, but have not read Zarate's autobiography. If an online link to it is available, I'd be happy to check. I do not plan to visit the Mexico City library to personally lend a copy of the book.
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
This thread is so annoying, I was sat with him last week and could have asked (or rather got Marina to ask since I don't speak Spanish).
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
I'm curious: if his book does say that he wasn't fighting in 1971, would you excise those bouts from his record ?
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
A few notes:
1. I do indeed go to the Hemeroteca out at UNAM, and have been there probably a dozen times over the years. If anyone else wants to go out I can tell you what subway lines to take, as you have to make at least one change depending upon where you are staying in Mexico City. I can also tell you what floors you will need to do your research on, as the Hemeroteca has microfilm, original newspapers (which get your hands incredibly dirty from the old print and dust, and different cities are located on different floors of the hemeroteca), and magazine archives (for those of you who want to look at the old ESTOs, Ring Mundials, etc.). You have to check your bag at the entrance, so bring notepads or take pictures on your phone. With all these trips is how I have been able to change so many of the older Mexican records (or had others do before I was able to) and have a bunch more that I have not even had a chance to input yet. I do sit at home and do research, but I also go to a lot of libraries whenever and wherever I can.
2. Carlos's autobiography is called Exito y Nocaut if you want to look it up. The record in it I believe was supplied by his brother Jorge.
3. I have the newspaper article where Carlos and two of his friends are arrested for stealing a Volkswagen (I think it was from March 1971)...when I showed it to him (as he has been a friend for many years) he basically smiled and said some of his early record was not quite what it was on paper, but he didn't go into specifics and I have tried to do my own research. I have not bothered him too much about it, because (a) he is a friend, and (b) he does not recall too many details regarding his early career fight-by-fight. At UNAM they do not have the more recent Cuernavaca papers or a few others which would be needed regarding his record, so I am working on ways to try and get that information (mostly local libraries, which is difficult at best).
1. I do indeed go to the Hemeroteca out at UNAM, and have been there probably a dozen times over the years. If anyone else wants to go out I can tell you what subway lines to take, as you have to make at least one change depending upon where you are staying in Mexico City. I can also tell you what floors you will need to do your research on, as the Hemeroteca has microfilm, original newspapers (which get your hands incredibly dirty from the old print and dust, and different cities are located on different floors of the hemeroteca), and magazine archives (for those of you who want to look at the old ESTOs, Ring Mundials, etc.). You have to check your bag at the entrance, so bring notepads or take pictures on your phone. With all these trips is how I have been able to change so many of the older Mexican records (or had others do before I was able to) and have a bunch more that I have not even had a chance to input yet. I do sit at home and do research, but I also go to a lot of libraries whenever and wherever I can.
2. Carlos's autobiography is called Exito y Nocaut if you want to look it up. The record in it I believe was supplied by his brother Jorge.
3. I have the newspaper article where Carlos and two of his friends are arrested for stealing a Volkswagen (I think it was from March 1971)...when I showed it to him (as he has been a friend for many years) he basically smiled and said some of his early record was not quite what it was on paper, but he didn't go into specifics and I have tried to do my own research. I have not bothered him too much about it, because (a) he is a friend, and (b) he does not recall too many details regarding his early career fight-by-fight. At UNAM they do not have the more recent Cuernavaca papers or a few others which would be needed regarding his record, so I am working on ways to try and get that information (mostly local libraries, which is difficult at best).
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
If he explicitly says the bouts didn't happen at all, then yes (unless any addtional evidence for them is found). If the only reason for excluding them is that Zarate was in jail at the given time, they probably need an asterisk saying the exact date is unknown.
Re: Carlos Zarate : Is his record correct?
Bob: Do you know how much time Zarate served ?