Team Europe V Team USA

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 18 Mar 2005, 06:10

I was wondering what the current USA team is like at the moment, with some of them gone to the Pro ranks after the Olympics.

With the Worlds coming up soon how would they compare to the best that Europe has to offer?

Light-fly weight (48kg)
Sergey Kazakov (RUS)

Fly-weight (51kg)
Jerome Thomas (FRA)

Bantam weight (54kg)
Detelin Dalakiev (BUL)

Feather weight (57kg)
Aleksey Tishenko (RUS)

Light-weight (60kg)
Domenico Valentino (ITA)

Light-welter weight (64kg)
Alexander Maletin (RUS)

Welter weight (69kg)
Oleg Saitov (RUS)

Middle weight (75kg)
Gaidarbek Gaidarbekov (RUS)

Light-heavy weight (81kg)
Magomed Aripgadzhiev (BLR)

Heavy weight (91kg)
Alexander Alexeev (RUS)

Super-heavy weight (+91kg)
Alexander Povetkin (RUS)

Many thanks

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 18 Mar 2005, 09:54

I'd have Aghassi Mamedov at bantam; Amir Khan at lightweight; Boris Georgiev at light-welter; Polyakov at welter and probably Oleg Mashkin at middleweight.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 18 Mar 2005, 11:10

I don't know about the current team...but the Olympic team wouldn't win many bouts...probably only Andre Ward...maybe Vicente Escobedo would beat Valentino...but there are better european lightweights...Khan, Krachev, Stilianov...maybe Gusseinov.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 19 Mar 2005, 12:47

The teams i were thinking were going to be in the World Championship.

Ward has gone Pro i think!

If i was going to take Detelin Dalakiev out i would replace him with Gennady Kovalyov (RUS) not Mamedov

Marian Simion (ROM) in before Oleg Mashkin (UKR) at middleweight!

Viktor Polaykov

I can think of lots of boxers better,

Oleg Saitov (RUS)
Bulent Ulusoy (TUR)
Spas Genov (BUL)
Xavier Noel (FRA)
Vilmos Balog (HUN)

If Alexander Maletin was out Gyula Kate (HUN) would be number 1 before Boris Georgiev

Khan wont be around.

Stilianov do you mean Dimitar the Bulgarian? he fights now at Light-welter weight (64kg)

Who is Gusseinov?

In the last year Valentino has done alot more and i think is the better boxer than Khrachev

I just want to know what the USA team is at the moment has it seems to have gone quiet with no talk of future stars. Some big tournys coming up soon!

Domenico Valentino (ITA)
Q/ Olympics
Semi/ European Champ
Winner/ European Union Countries Championship (ESP)
Final/ Gee Bee in Helzinki (FIN)
Winner/ World Military Games In Ford Huachuca (USA)
Winner/ Algirdas Socicas in Kaunas (LTU)
Final/ Lemesia cup in Limassol (CYP)
Winner/ Karl Leman in Talin (EST)

Murat Khrachev (RUS)
Semi/ Olympics
Winner/ Chowdhry cup” in Baku (AZE)
Winner/ Copenhagen box cup in Copenhagen (DEN)

ogii3 · Post by **ogii3** » 19 Mar 2005, 13:01

ABA Boxing wrote:The teams i were thinking were going to be in the World Championship.

Ward has gone Pro i think!

If i was going to take Detelin Dalakiev out i would replace him with Gennady Kovalyov (RUS) not Mamedov

Marian Simion (ROM) in before Oleg Mashkin (UKR) at middleweight!

Viktor Polaykov I can think of lots of boxers better,

Oleg Saitov (RUS)
Bulent Ulusoy (TUR)
Spas Genov (BUL)
Xavier Noel (FRA)
Vilmos Balog (HUN)

If Alexander Maletin was out Gyula Kate (HUN) would be number 1 before Boris Georgiev

Khan wont be around.

Stilianov do you mean Dimitar the Bulgarian? he fights now at Light-welter weight (64kg)

Who is Gusseinov?

In the last year Valentino has done alot more and i think is the better boxer than Khrachev

I just want to know what the USA team is at the moment has it seems to have gone quiet with no talk of future stars. Some big tournys coming up soon!

Domenico Valentino (ITA)
Q/ Olympics
Semi/ European Champ
Winner/ European Union Countries Championship (ESP)
Final/ Gee Bee in Helzinki (FIN)
Winner/ World Military Games In Ford Huachuca (USA)
Winner/ Algirdas Socicas in Kaunas (LTU)
Final/ Lemesia cup in Limassol (CYP)
Winner/ Karl Leman in Talin (EST)

Murat Khrachev (RUS)
Semi/ Olympics
Winner/ Chowdhry cup” in Baku (AZE)
Winner/ Copenhagen box cup in Copenhagen (DEN)

Rovshan Gosseinov (60 kg from Azerbaijan) announced his retirement after Olympics. He was R/J at last Azerbaijan championships earlier this year. Saitov also announced that is finished with boxing thanks to his age. Shtilianov fights at 64 kg in Strandja cup and will stay there. Right now he suffered very bad illness an is out from the team for at least 1-2 months, so will not participate in Gee Bee and Halle events.
Right now is taking place USA championships (check http://www.usaboxing.org for results).
Some fresh info:
Chech Rudolf Kraj (81 kg), Ukrainian Olexey Mazikin (+91) and Hungarian Karoly Balzsay (75 kg) will make their pro debuts next Saturday in Germany

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 19 Mar 2005, 19:24

I just meant that if the US olympic team hardly would have won any matches against the top european in their weight I don’t think their new internationally inexperienced team has a chance. It has been that way after every olympics for the US, and it gets worse and worse. Before they had some talented 17-18 year old kids who could strike gold internationally. That doesn’t seem posible today.

ABA Boxing wrote:Who is Gusseinov?

He’s just a former European champion and World Cup champion.

ABA Boxing wrote:In the last year Valentino has done alot more and i think is the better boxer than Khrachev

Have you actually seen Valentino fight? Boxing isn’t just about numbers. IMO Valentino is a good boxer but not one you get excited about.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 19 Mar 2005, 19:36

locoxelbox wrote:I just meant that if the US olympic team hardly would have won any matches against the top european in their weight I don’t think their new internationally inexperienced team has a chance. It has been that way after every olympics for the US, and it gets worse and worse. Before they had some talented 17-18 year old kids who could strike gold internationally. That doesn’t seem posible today.

ABA Boxing wrote:Who is Gusseinov?
He’s just a former European champion and World Cup champion.

ABA Boxing wrote:In the last year Valentino has done alot more and i think is the better boxer than Khrachev

Have you actually seen Valentino fight? Boxing isn’t just about numbers. IMO Valentino is a good boxer but not one you get excited about.

I know what your saying, i just want to know what the USA team is at the moment!

There are some big tournaments coming up & the Euro fighters i said will be fighting, IMO they are the best Europe has to offer and they are active.

What will the US have to offer, if they have nothing good then US boxing will be in trouble in a few years!

Its about time Europe takes all the Number 1 spots!

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 20 Mar 2005, 10:11

The downfall of US amateur boxing has already begun. Andre Ward saved them in Athens, but for how long?
ALL the No1 spots to europe??...that would be bad for amateur boxing...Thank god the cubans still beat'em up

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 20 Mar 2005, 13:47

ABA Boxing wrote:Its about time Europe takes all the Number 1 spots!

Am I wrong in thinking that Maletin and Gaiderbekov have joined Saitov (as Ogii says) in retirement?

ogii3 · Post by **ogii3** » 20 Mar 2005, 15:36

Ulysses wrote:
ABA Boxing wrote:Its about time Europe takes all the Number 1 spots!
Am I wrong in thinking that Maletin and Gaiderbekov have joined Saitov (as Ogii says) in retirement?

Gaidarbekov is retired. He made his announcement after the Games. Maletin has the time to fight in another Olympics, cos he will be 33 during Beijing Games. Gaidarbekov is even younger then Maletin. He is born in late 1976, but made his dessicion.
The other guys in the team are very young, excluding captain Evgeny Makarenko and Sergey Kazakov, who are 29

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 20 Mar 2005, 18:25

ogii3 wrote:
Ulysses wrote:
ABA Boxing wrote:Its about time Europe takes all the Number 1 spots!
Am I wrong in thinking that Maletin and Gaiderbekov have joined Saitov (as Ogii says) in retirement?
Gaidarbekov is retired. He made his announcement after the Games. Maletin has the time to fight in another Olympics, cos he will be 33 during Beijing Games. Gaidarbekov is even younger then Maletin. He is born in late 1976, but made his dessicion.
The other guys in the team are very young, excluding captain Evgeny Makarenko and Sergey Kazakov, who are 29

Cheers, ogii. Do you think Maletin will box again?

ogii3 · Post by **ogii3** » 21 Mar 2005, 03:28

Yes, i am sure he will fight. I think Alexander Lebziak will schedule him to got to some of April/May tournaments in Europe. There are 10 strong events in mentioned two months so in some of them i am sure we will see Maletin. I hope that he will find place in Russian team for World cup in Moscow, which was rescheduled for 10-18 July.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 21 Mar 2005, 20:12

locoxelbox wrote:The downfall of US amateur boxing has already begun. Andre Ward saved them in Athens, but for how long?
ALL the No1 spots to europe??...that would be bad for amateur boxing...Thank god the cubans still beat'em up

LOL yes there are still the Cubans and the Rusians, but if USA Amateur boxing is in trouble you have to fear that it will affect the Pro Champions over the next 5 to 10 years coming out of the US.

All the World champions will be European and maybe a few South Americans, i fear still no English!

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 21 Mar 2005, 23:58

I think it has affected the US pros as well. Just look at the heavyweights. When was the last time the US produced a decent heavy/super heavy? Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer at the 1988 Olympics, that's almost 20 years ago.
Regarding the new US team: Michael Evans who lost to Amir Khan became champion.
Raushee Warren is up at 51. I expect him to be a top name in short time.
The only other one's I have seen are Karl Dargan and Mike Wilson, weren't impressed by them when I saw them, but then it was some time ago.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 22 Mar 2005, 07:46

locoxelbox wrote:I think it has affected the US pros as well. Just look at the heavyweights. When was the last time the US produced a decent heavy/super heavy? Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer at the 1988 Olympics, that's almost 20 years ago.
Regarding the new US team: Michael Evans who lost to Amir Khan became champion.
Raushee Warren is up at 51. I expect him to be a top name in short time.
The only other one's I have seen are Karl Dargan and Mike Wilson, weren't impressed by them when I saw them, but then it was some time ago.

Yeah, Karl Dargan and particularlry Warren impressed when the boxed over here against England.