Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 08:50
After the positive performance, considering the opposition on Saturday night, simply, should AJ continue as it is with Ben Davison in the corner?
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Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 10:49
Yes, I rated Davison before he joined Josh and I still rate him.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 11:29
I think he should, they seem to be working very well together, and Ben said he has fit in so well. Davison's clearly making AJ a happy fighter.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 12:16
Ben seems an unbelievable motivator
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 12:20
Definitely.
I'm glad to see those idiot posters who called him Boxersize Ben have changed their tune.
I'm glad to see those idiot posters who called him Boxersize Ben have changed their tune.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 12:51
We make fun of his cocky interviews but he certainly has reason to be cocky given his record.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 14:51
Impossible to say for me.
I don’t know if he’s improved him or if Joshua knew Wallin was completely made for him & couldn’t hurt him after having him in for sparring & beating him as an amateur.
There were a couple of times where Wallin landed counters & I just thought if that’s someone with a bit of power he’s in trouble there.
I don’t know if he’s improved him or if Joshua knew Wallin was completely made for him & couldn’t hurt him after having him in for sparring & beating him as an amateur.
There were a couple of times where Wallin landed counters & I just thought if that’s someone with a bit of power he’s in trouble there.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 15:33
Haven't rated him as a trainer but if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 16:03
And sometimes that's all what's needed.
Boxercise-Ben isn't able to teach Joshua new skills, or give him a masterful game plan. But giving him the confidence to just put it on an opponent may just be enough if it's limited opposition like Wallin in front of him.
But he'll need someone more tactically astute for Hrg or he loses widely again
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 17:03
Boxercise and Tesco will always be that
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 17:10
Honestly did'nt see any great improvement in AJ , he was a bit more aggressive , but heh , has pointed out by someone else , he's beat him in he ameteurs and sparred him , he knew excatly what Wallin was like perfect opponent . Ben can't each AJ anything they may has well carry on together , next fight there coming off a win , opponent will not be great , confidence will be hgh and if AJ loses Ben will find himself carrying the blame and up the road
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 17:13
AJ, Fury, BJS and Taylor had him for a reason, his resume stacks up better than McGuigan.coneye wrote: ↑25 Dec 2023, 17:10Honestly did'nt see any great improvement in AJ , he was a bit more aggressive , but heh , has pointed out by someone else , he's beat him in he ameteurs and sparred him , he knew excatly what Wallin was like perfect opponent . Ben can't each AJ anything they may has well carry on together , next fight there coming off a win , opponent will not be great , confidence will be hgh and if AJ loses Ben will find himself carrying the blame and up the road
But I'll always call him boxercise
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 17:23
Maybe he won't be able to teach him much more than he knows, but if he can help instill self belief and confidence he should definitely stick with him becuase that's all he needs.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 18:27
And yet Ben was hired by master boxer Haney to devise strategies for world title fights.882440 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2023, 16:03And sometimes that's all what's needed.
Boxercise-Ben isn't able to teach Joshua new skills, or give him a masterful game plan. But giving him the confidence to just put it on an opponent may just be enough if it's limited opposition like Wallin in front of him.
But he'll need someone more tactically astute for Hrg or he loses widely again
I think there’s a bit more to him than just motivating and instilling confidence in fighters.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 25 Dec 2023, 19:25
Best he's looked for 5 years so yes definitely.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 09:35
Unless he’s going back to Rob McCracken, why would he?
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 13:39
I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 14:17
All the Hall of Fame trainers were young once. If you can't see what a great job Ben's done for various fighters over the years, you're either biased or in need of new glasses.Bercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 14:27
Davison's cv speaks for itself, he's a bit cringe but so is Joshua, you have to be into all that inspirational quotes stuff to buy into it but AJ definitely the type to embrace it, whatever floats your boat I suppose, it's like when Teddy Atlas gets all Rocky in the corner spouting garbage about firemen, the sort of stuff gees people up, I'd prefer some clear instructions personally but horses for courses
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 14:28
I agree, you can't win with the being young thing really. Shane Mcguigan gets the same. Both excellent trainers.jwfg wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 14:17All the Hall of Fame trainers were young once. If you can't see what a great job Ben's done for various fighters over the years, you're either biased or in need of new glasses.Bercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
What Ben has in his favour too is that he has not fallen out with anyone too and is never bitter when anyone changes trainers. A good trait.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 16:22
Yeah great observation. He always leaves on good terms and seems grateful for the opportunity. Never considers himself bigger than the fighter.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 14:28I agree, you can't win with the being young thing really. Shane Mcguigan gets the same. Both excellent trainers.jwfg wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 14:17All the Hall of Fame trainers were young once. If you can't see what a great job Ben's done for various fighters over the years, you're either biased or in need of new glasses.Bercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39
I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
What Ben has in his favour too is that he has not fallen out with anyone too and is never bitter when anyone changes trainers. A good trait.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 16:24
I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with himBercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 26 Dec 2023, 17:17
definitely. And good to see, when BJS and Fury left in the past he gave thanks to then and talked up their next trainers. So refreshing to see.Steveh583 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:22Yeah great observation. He always leaves on good terms and seems grateful for the opportunity. Never considers himself bigger than the fighter.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 14:28I agree, you can't win with the being young thing really. Shane Mcguigan gets the same. Both excellent trainers.
What Ben has in his favour too is that he has not fallen out with anyone too and is never bitter when anyone changes trainers. A good trait.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 27 Dec 2023, 16:24
leigh woodconeye wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:24I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with himBercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.
Re: Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?
Posted: 27 Dec 2023, 16:38
What did Angelo Dundee teach Ali?coneye wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:24I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with himBercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.