Big fights we didn't get to see.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Mar 2005, 07:04

Can anyone here remember which of the really big fights we didn't get to see live last year?

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 21 Mar 2005, 07:49

Off the top of my head...

Tito vs Mayorga
DK's Heavyweight bills. (not particularly big, but quite important)
Corrales vs Frietas
Judah vs Spinks 1&2
Tarver vs Roy jones 1 (not sure about this actually)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 21 Mar 2005, 07:52

James asked the question, didn't get to see live?

To many too list.

I'll give it a go a bit later on, but it is a shit load.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 21 Mar 2005, 07:55

might be easier to list the ones we did get to see live, then work out the rest??

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 21 Mar 2005, 08:14

Jones - Tarver 1 was on BBC on the amazing Sunday at 12am slot, Kevo. The rematch wasn't shown at all (another that pisses me off, imagine the shock watching that one live?)

You'd perhaps need to sit and flick through the months on the boxrec database to get the answer to this question. I'll do the months of January to February just now...

January to February 2004

Got, but not live:

Arturo Gatti versus Gianluca Branco (delayed, BBC)

Antonio Margarito versus Hercules Kyvelos - Rafael Marquez also defended his IBF title on this (shite) card (delayed, BBC or Sky?).

Sharmba Mitchell versus Lovemore N'Dou (Was this on Channel 5 or Sky?)

Erik Morales versus Jesus Chavez (Cotto was on undercard) (delayed, Sky)

Missed altogether:

Acelino Freitas versus Artur Grigorian

Overall,

We got ZERO live 'big' fights in the first two months of last year.

March to April 2004

Got!

The first fight we got live in 2004 came on Saturday 24th April 2004:

Vitali Klitschko versus Corrie Sanders (Sky, PPV?)

Got, but not live:

Diego Corrales versus Joel Casamayor (the rematch, I think this was delayed?) (Sky)

Ronald Wright versus Shane Mosley (first fight, delayed, Sky)

Missed altogether:

Cory Spinks versus Zab Judah (first fight)

John Ruiz vs. Fres Oquendo/Byrd vs. Golota/Mayorga vs. Mitchell
(NB. also a card same night as this featuring Vanderpool-Mendoza/DaVarryl Williamson - Eliecer Castillo/Santos-Lerma/etc; not big names but competitive fights)

Overall,

We got ONE live 'big' fight in April to March of last year.

May to June 2004

Got!

Oscar De La Hoya versus Felix Sturm (Hopkins - Allen 3 on undercard)(Sky PPV)

Got, but not live:

Manny Pacquiao versus Juan Manuel Marquez (Cotto - N'Dou on undercard) (delayed, Sky)

Floyd Mayweather Jr versus DeMarcus Corley (delayed, Sky)

Marco Antonio Barrera versus Paulie Ayala (delayed, BBC)

Missed altogether:

Antonio Tarver versus Roy Jones Jr. (the big upset; Hoye's big win over Hall on undercard)

Overall,

We got ONE live 'big' fight in May to June of last year.

July to August 2004

Got, but not live:

Arturo Gatti versus Leonard Dorin (Leija upsetting Bojado on undercard, as well as Phil Jackson taking a dive vs. Guinn)(delayed BBC)

Erik Morales versus Carlos Alberto Hernandez (quality Calderon - Leyva fight + Marquez's stunning KO of Ruiz were shown on undercard)(delayed, Sky)

Missed altogether:

Diego Corrales versus Acelino Freitas (1st Unforgiveable one)

Overall,

We got ZERO live 'big' fights in July to August of last year.

September to October 2004

Got!

Bernard Hopkins versus Oscar De La Hoya (the superfight, Sky, PPV)

Got, but not live:

Glen Johnson versus Roy Jones Jr. (delayed, BBC)

Missed altogether:

Cory Spinks versus Miguel Angel Gonzalez (Brewster - Meehan on undercard, as well as Bell - Sellers)

Felix Trinidad versus Ricardo Mayorga (2nd Unforgiveable one, an utter disgrace we missed this)

Jeff Lacy versus Syd Vanderpool (plus Ouma - Phillips rematch and Williamson - Klitschko)

Overall,

We got ONE live 'big' fight in September to October of last year.

November to December 2004

Got!

Vitali Klitschko versus Danny Williams (Sky PPV)

Got, but not live:

Kostya Tszyu versus Sharmba Mitchell (delayed, Sky)

Ronald Wright versus Shane Mosley (the rematch, delayed, Sky)

Marco Antonio Barrera versus Erik Morales (the rubbermatch, delayed, Sky)

Jeff Lacy versus Omar Sheika (think this might have been on Sky, but was butchered)

Missed altogether:

Byrd/McCline; Golota/Ruiz; Rahman/Meehan; Holyfield/Donald; McCall/Williamson (aka Don King's Heavyweight Horror Show)

Antonio Tarver versus Glen Johnson (two top 175'ers go head-to-head for a unification showdown, but there's no belts on the line so who cares eh?)

Overall,

We got ONE live 'big' fight in November to December of last year.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 21 Mar 2005, 08:18

[quote="Manos de Oro"]Jones - Tarver 1 was on BBC on the amazing Sunday at 12am slot, Kevo. The rematch wasn't shown at all [quote]

My mistake. I knew i'd seen one of them. :) just my luck it was the close decision win and not the sensational KO!

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 21 Mar 2005, 08:25

BBC showed the RJJ - Glen Johnson fight, I was well impressed with them for that, although it was 2 days later

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 21 Mar 2005, 09:50

Out of a possible 30 'big' fights we saw a total of 4 live. All were on PPV.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Mar 2005, 10:25

fornicating pathetic. I'm paying nearly 500 quid a year in Sky subscription, most of which I don't want or need, and I get the opportunity to see four big fights a year, for which I pay another 60 pounds.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Mar 2005, 10:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote:fornicating pathetic. I'm paying nearly 500 quid a year in Sky subscription, most of which I don't want or need, and I get the opportunity to see four big fights a year, for which I pay another 60 pounds.

simple answer James, do what me and Kilburn have done and fornicate SKY off

J · Post by J » 21 Mar 2005, 10:27

if i were just a boxing fan i have to admit i wouldnt have sky anymore, unfortunatley my passion for rugby, cricket and the fantasy channel

also dictates. :P

the coverage at present is beyond woeful and bordering on insulting.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 21 Mar 2005, 10:32

Why don´t you London guys just buy one payperview fee together and watch the fights together or copy it for the other guys?

J · Post by J » 21 Mar 2005, 10:39

BubiScholz wrote:Why don´t you London guys just buy one payperview fee together and watch the fights together or copy it for the other guys?

that a good point jim you didnt pay for half the fookin ppv i did hahaha.

bubi theres usually a houseful round mine on boxing nights mate.

think there were 7 of us last time.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Mar 2005, 10:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote:fornicating pathetic. I'm paying nearly 500 quid a year in Sky subscription, most of which I don't want or need, and I get the opportunity to see four big fights a year, for which I pay another 60 pounds.

I don't reckon my flatmates would be too chuffed if I did. Were it down to me, I wouldn't give them another penny.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 21 Mar 2005, 13:39

knockout wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:fornicating pathetic. I'm paying nearly 500 quid a year in Sky subscription, most of which I don't want or need, and I get the opportunity to see four big fights a year, for which I pay another 60 pounds.
simple answer James, do what me and Kilburn have done and fornicate SKY off

I'm getting ever closer to doing this. I've also had to pay an extra £6 for two footy matches I wanted to watch.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 21 Mar 2005, 14:49

I can see im not the only one who is fornicating bitter over having to wait till friday to see EM v MP

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 21 Mar 2005, 15:33

Will ditch Sky next month after getting 3 months half price (i complained that i thought all their coverage was shite and was going to cancel). Football season is over soon anyway and its always on in the boozer.

Sky's boxing coverage just gets worse very year.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 26 Mar 2005, 08:35

Thanks for this i've just cancelled Sky and i wanted to send them an email telling exactly why.

If anyone is going to do the same i'm sending them here.

[email protected]
[email protected]

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 26 Mar 2005, 17:26

I think boxing is officially dead.

This is it guys. Boxing is dead. There is a shocking dearth of cards around, even 6 months ago I'm sure there was more to discuss, more cards? Even this forum is drying up, there used to be tons of new posts and lengthening threads, current scene has been shit for ages but the british forum has always been full of good talk.

Dennis hobson is trying to abandon his sinking ship in favour of a climbing aboard a punctured dinghy. The cards are evaporating from our boxing sphere, leaving a sludge of recycled talk to slowly run down the crapper.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 27 Mar 2005, 11:35

Riddick Blowe wrote:I think boxing is officially dead.

This is it guys. Boxing is dead. There is a shocking dearth of cards around, even 6 months ago I'm sure there was more to discuss, more cards? Even this forum is drying up, there used to be tons of new posts and lengthening threads, current scene has been shit for ages but the british forum has always been full of good talk.

Dennis hobson is trying to abandon his sinking ship in favour of a climbing aboard a punctured dinghy. The cards are evaporating from our boxing sphere, leaving a sludge of recycled talk to slowly run down the crapper.

Whao!! Talk about doom and gloom. Things ain't that bad, chin up old boy

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 27 Mar 2005, 12:01

Kevo wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:I think boxing is officially dead.

This is it guys. Boxing is dead. There is a shocking dearth of cards around, even 6 months ago I'm sure there was more to discuss, more cards? Even this forum is drying up, there used to be tons of new posts and lengthening threads, current scene has been shit for ages but the british forum has always been full of good talk.

Dennis hobson is trying to abandon his sinking ship in favour of a climbing aboard a punctured dinghy. The cards are evaporating from our boxing sphere, leaving a sludge of recycled talk to slowly run down the crapper.
Whao!! Talk about doom and gloom. Things ain't that bad, chin up old boy

Something has to happen though. More terrestrial coverage for a start. I'd say 95% of British people couldn't tell you Skelton's the heavyweight British champ. 95% of those who at least know boxer's names think, for example, JC and Ricky Hatton are something to rival Ali. Less sanctioning bodies, obviously. Down to one, maximum. No more Transgalactical Interpole African youth Masters titles. This in turn would cut a lot of the bearocracy (ok, however you spell that, it isn't like that) world class fights would be more frequent, people would have more to say, and Blowe would have nothing to worry about. Problem is, of course, we all know the solutions to the problem, it's finding a way to impliment the solution. Maybe Scotland Yard should hold an amnesty for anyone armed with a WBU title.

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 27 Mar 2005, 12:15

I say we all just pool our vast resources and create a new Boxing Channel and show all the TV channels who is the Daddy

BY THE POWER OF BRIMSTONE

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 27 Mar 2005, 13:06

Sadly the tragedies in boxing seem to have tenfold the impact of the great fights. Fighter wins the British title no one bats an eyelid. Fighter dies fighting for the British title and suddenly he is euologized by sap hacks out to make their name; chapters in books dedicated to ring deaths by authors who have no clue about the mechanics of the 'fight game'. It is truly sick.

1995 was the year that really killed off boxing in this country as a major sport, in my opinion. The Watson tragedy was still fresh in memory, then the year starts out with a mega fight going wrong on national telly. If ever the mourning merchants needed copy to replace the waning Michael Watson story - they had it now. Then in October, Friday the 13th no less, James Murray collapses at the Hospitality Inn and a riot kicks off. This fight was on Sky, if I recall, but they showed the horror at the end on the (terrestial) news up here.

That last fight was too close to home, was too distressing, too much of an accumulative effect to brush off and look forward to a new year in boxing, for me personally (being a 12 year old...). I had a lay off for a few years but still watched all the big fights. I bet there are loads who have never tuned back in.

Boxing could be given a considerable kick-start this June with the big Hatton fight. But it would require that a) Hatton wins b) he is able to stay at the top for at least 2/3 defences c) loads of first time punters buying the PPV. None of these things have much hope of happening, in my view. Just need to suck it up, sit and wait.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 27 Mar 2005, 13:58

dve3333 wrote:I say we all just pool our vast resources and create a new Boxing Channel and show all the TV channels who is the Daddy

We shouldn't, but promoters with no TV deal should.

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 27 Mar 2005, 15:55

stujones wrote:
dve3333 wrote:I say we all just pool our vast resources and create a new Boxing Channel and show all the TV channels who is the Daddy
We shouldn't, but promoters with no TV deal should.

Yeah joking apart you would think that Barry Hearn could come up with something as he has a hand in plenty of sports Darts, Snooker, etc.
I think if the Eastman/Witter bill done reasonable numbers Setanta could arrange something long-term with Hennessy Sports