Saul "Has Been" Alvarez

[Brokerval]

I am absolutely disappointed in Canelo's matchmaking for his 4 lasts fights. He is forcing Benavidez to 175 where he doesn't belong, blocking the 168 division from disputing real competitive bouts, just to keep the name reigning and fill his pockets.

As good as he has been, we have to give him respect for all the champions that he beat on his way up. He also made boxing evolve and by mastering head movement, faints, ring IQ. But the time has come to let go the belts or stop ducking the challenges that everybody wants to see.

What are your thoughts, what can we really do to be heard?

[Fightdoctor]

Evolved?? Strong word. The feints, parries, counterpunching, mental pressure were all elements he adopted from FMJ and other slick fighters.

[Brokerval]

Evolved?? Strong word. The feints, parries, counterpunching, mental pressure were all elements he adopted from FMJ and other slick fighters.

Yeah we can't even credit him for that

[wrighty]

I don't think his last 4 have been bad but it's obvious he's a money man and commissions, promoters etc give him as much of an edge as they can as everyone is eating from him. You can make arguments that both Lara and Golovkin beat him.

[wrighty]

He was also allowed to fight for a light middle belt against a career welter not even in the top 15 in Matthew Hatton, costing Rhodes his shot.

Ultimately he's had a good resume though and is a good watch

[apollo creed]

Saul is a very good example of hard work, dedication, cleverness, and high progress. His trainers and his handlers knew how to bring him up on the big stage and put him in the right fights until he progressed into a great fighter. On the other hand I didn't like the biased judging in some of his fights, that he didn't gave Lara a rematch, that he got caught pissing hot and that he choosed to fight Khan, Smith , JCCjr and then dropped his wbc mw title instead of defending it against GGG.

[wrighty]

Saul is a very good example of hard work, dedication, cleverness, and high progress. His trainers and his handlers knew how to bring him up on the big stage and put him in the right fights until he progressed into a great fighter. On the other hand I didn't like the biased judging in some of his fights, that he didn't gave Lara a rematch, that he got caught pissing hot and that he choosed to fight Khan, Smith , JCCjr and then dropped his wbc mw title instead of defending it against GGG.

I watched with the sound off and I think Saunders was doing well, pinging him and not really taking any shots, the judges didn't give him a shade of anything. Ultimately it didn't matter. I thought the judging against Lara and GGG was bad too and Trout had his moments

[apollo creed]

Saul is a very good example of hard work, dedication, cleverness, and high progress. His trainers and his handlers knew how to bring him up on the big stage and put him in the right fights until he progressed into a great fighter. On the other hand I didn't like the biased judging in some of his fights, that he didn't gave Lara a rematch, that he got caught pissing hot and that he choosed to fight Khan, Smith , JCCjr and then dropped his wbc mw title instead of defending it against GGG.

I watched with the sound off and I think Saunders was doing well, pinging him and not really taking any shots, the judges didn't give him a shade of anything. Ultimately it didn't matter. I thought the judging against Lara and GGG was bad too and Trout had his moments

Saul and his team learned alot from FMJr in terms of having all the advantages on his side.

[Lackeos]

I am absolutely disappointed in Canelo's matchmaking for his 4 lasts fights.

If you think Golovkin and Bivol weren't good enough, that's a you problem. I'm sorry that Joe Calzaghe and Julian Jackson weren't available.

[apollo creed]

Imo Munguia is a better and stronger fighter than guys like Charlos, Berlanga or Eubank Jr. Munguia fits well into the Callum Smith, BJS and Plant type of competition. I think Canelo would fight Bena but maybe he's trying to marinate the fight just to increase the demand.

[gilgamesh]

Canelo has taken on name after name. He's been fighting for a long f*cking time, and to me he's earned the right to pick and choose at this stage of his career. He's fought all the big challenges, and I suspect he'll take on some more.

He took on Lara when that was the Boogeyman. He eventually took on Golovkin when he was the Boogeyman, decisions are an issue, but nevertheless he fought the guy. Gathered up the belts at 168. Basically cleaned out the Middleweight division.

I mean. What do people expect from fighters?

Munguia is a young, hungry undefeated kid. I guarantee you he ain't gonna just lay down for Canelo, and it is significant still if he can beat a young, hungry guy like that at this stage of the game in his career.

I think Canelo's done enough at this point to have earned his stripes though, and people should probably stop sh*tting on the guy.

[apollo creed]

Canelo has taken on name after name. He's been fighting for a long f*cking time, and to me he's earned the right to pick and choose at this stage of his career. He's fought all the big challenges, and I suspect he'll take on some more.

He took on Lara when that was the Boogeyman. He eventually took on Golovkin when he was the Boogeyman, decisions are an issue, but nevertheless he fought the guy. Gathered up the belts at 168. Basically cleaned out the Middleweight division.

I mean. What do people expect from fighters?

Munguia is a young, hungry undefeated kid. I guarantee you he ain't gonna just lay down for Canelo, and it is significant still if he can beat a young, hungry guy like that at this stage of the game in his career.

I think Canelo's done enough at this point to have earned his stripes though, and people should probably stop sh*tting on the guy.

Yup Canelo pretty much fought everybody. Top 3-4 mexican fighter.