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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jun 2024, 16:54 he's short but not that small, built like a tank

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2024, 17:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jun 2024, 16:54 he's short but not that small, built like a tank

Indeed he is stocky, but c'mon is not that wide or something like a short version of Hulk. Kirkland was more bigger than him frame-wise. Mall Charlo, Hurd, J-Rock, Trout were bigger guys at 154.

Also Canelo hits very hard for a shorty fighter. Bivol said he hurted his arm. Kovalev got KO'ed, Callum Smith also had his arm badly hurted.

Evander wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish

coneye wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 10:04 Some are just built that way , very tough , very strong, and very good . Lucky i suppose

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Evander wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 12:26

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Evander wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

In AJ and Fury's case it would hurt more than it would hurt Canelo. Canelo has been around, and fighting at a high level for such a long time that to suddenly write him off as "Well he wasn't that good" would be ridiculous.

I think if Crawford were to beat him would be to look at Crawford as exceptionally great, and something you almost never see rather than pretending as if Canelo wasn't a great fighter.

apollo creed wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 12:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 12:26

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

In AJ and Fury's case it would hurt more than it would hurt Canelo. Canelo has been around, and fighting at a high level for such a long time that to suddenly write him off as "Well he wasn't that good" would be ridiculous.

I think if Crawford were to beat him would be to look at Crawford as exceptionally great, and something you almost never see rather than pretending as if Canelo wasn't a great fighter.

At 160 I could see Bud beating Canelo.

1286809 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 18:15 Canelo is a throwback sort of fellow. Reminiscent to the greats from the past, who were short in stature.
Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, and Dwight Muhammad Quawi spring to mind in terms of basic comparative aspects.
It'd be a very bad idea for Canelo to fight under 168 at this point in time, especially versus someone such as Crawford.

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Evander wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

Evander wrote: ↑06 Jun 2024, 22:46

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Evander wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jun 2024, 05:52

Evander wrote: ↑06 Jun 2024, 22:46

tonyevs wrote: ↑05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..

Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.

Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.

Evander wrote: ↑08 Jun 2024, 14:55

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jun 2024, 05:52

Evander wrote: ↑06 Jun 2024, 22:46

Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.

Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.

Well same time Ward has kept himself in very good shape, yes I would have preferred a younger Ward but I'd certainly wouldn't count him out.
How Eubank Jr get's in the frame is beyond me, unless of course Canelo wants an easy fight decent payday.

apollo creed wrote: ↑08 Jun 2024, 15:02

Evander wrote: ↑08 Jun 2024, 14:55

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jun 2024, 05:52

Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.

Well same time Ward has kept himself in very good shape, yes I would have preferred a younger Ward but I'd certainly wouldn't count him out.
How Eubank Jr get's in the frame is beyond me, unless of course Canelo wants an easy fight decent payday.

DAZN, Hearn , O2 Arena + Canelo = big, big money

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2024, 16:38 I mean if you'd don't know him you'd say he's an average high school boy that you could take him down. Very deceiving, yet very strong fighter.