Clinton Woods

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 02 Apr 2005, 12:21

Has anyone heard anything about his plans? Is he just going to wait around for the winner of Griffen/Gonzalez? They're not fighting for another month, so it would be around July/August at the earliest for his mandatory?

Am I asking too much to think of a fairly keep-busy fight? Maybe even against someone like Barney? Would a fight with Tiozzo be coming from cuckoo kand?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 02 Apr 2005, 13:28

The Light Heavyweight devision isn't that bad, I would like to see him establish himself as a champion before thinking of unification. I think he should fight a British LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT in his first voluntary defence. Barney, Oakey or Oboh would be good. Then he should fight his mandatory (either Griffin or Gonzales would provide a sturn test and would establish him as more than a "paper" champion). Then he should think about unification.

I think he beats Tiozzo, at 32 he should go for the big one in his 3rd defence.... The Johnson vs Tarver winner.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 04 Apr 2005, 05:27

tiozzo is gonna fight Ulrich next.....

Woods could fight Barney whos stock rose rapidly after pushing Ulrich very close last week......

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 04 Apr 2005, 06:14

I doubt very much they'll be taking on someone like Oboh for a voluntary.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Apr 2005, 06:20

DavidPayne wrote:I doubt very much they'll be taking on someone like Oboh for a voluntary.

Yep, but if he did it would show a sign of the confidence that he has. I don't know Oboh's promotional status but hasn't he appeared on Woods' bills in the recent past, making it an easy fight to arrange.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Apr 2005, 07:08

Hmm, nobody else has been keen to give Oboh a shot, so why should Clinton, that's what I can imagine them thinking, and I wouldn't blame him. Clinton is looking to cash in on his belt, I fail to see how a fight with Oboh is going to do that. Oboh may be highly regarded by some in boxing circles, and there might be a certain amount of Kudos to beating him, but he's not exactly a draw.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 11 Apr 2005, 06:26

Another thought - If Tarver beats Johnson in the rematch, I doubt he'd be bothered with Woods. But might Johnson (assuming he doesn't go for a Tarver III) want Woods even more if he loses?

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 11 Apr 2005, 07:01

You would have to remember that Tarver - Johnson there is no title at stake and I would think the winner would see Woods as a an easy route to a title

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 11 Apr 2005, 07:02

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hmm, nobody else has been keen to give Oboh a shot, so why should Clinton, that's what I can imagine them thinking, and I wouldn't blame him. Clinton is looking to cash in on his belt, I fail to see how a fight with Oboh is going to do that. Oboh may be highly regarded by some in boxing circles, and there might be a certain amount of Kudos to beating him, but he's not exactly a draw.

Oboh could give Woods all kinds of trouble.

Quick, strong, decent punch, durable and very awkward.

Good fighter, Oboh.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 11 Apr 2005, 07:20

Agreed, Woods wood be Woodwinded by Oboe.

jab · Post by **jab** » 11 Apr 2005, 08:29

Roy Jones was negotiating with Woods for a rematch. That is if Roy does decide to keep fighting.

Roy is shot and his glass chin is exposed. He lost his speed and reflexes and now he cant run away from punches like he used to. But he still figures he can whip Woods again. (the first fight was so one sided that he thinks he can do that again with certainty).

I think Roy has a very good chance to beat Woods again, but it is no longer a certain thing. If Roy slipped even more since his second ko loss, then Woods may give him a third ko defeat.

I think it is 50/50. Slightly favouring Roy. (ok, maybe 55/45 for Roy)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 11 Apr 2005, 08:51

Roy does not have a glass chin, he's just old now.

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 11 Apr 2005, 10:29

Riddick Blowe wrote:Agreed, Woods wood be Woodwinded by Oboe.

Oh Dear

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 11 Apr 2005, 10:35

nickd wrote:Roy does not have a glass chin, he's just old now.

down 3 times in a 16 year pro career..... china chinned......

just like Ali, everyone said he had good reflexes but i have seen him fight (against Berbick) and he was nothing......dunno what all the fuss is about

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Apr 2005, 10:58

Graham Brett wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hmm, nobody else has been keen to give Oboh a shot, so why should Clinton, that's what I can imagine them thinking, and I wouldn't blame him. Clinton is looking to cash in on his belt, I fail to see how a fight with Oboh is going to do that. Oboh may be highly regarded by some in boxing circles, and there might be a certain amount of Kudos to beating him, but he's not exactly a draw.
Oboh could give Woods all kinds of trouble.

Quick, strong, decent punch, durable and very awkward.

Good fighter, Oboh.

I've seen Oboh fight quite a few times, he's got talent, but he's not world class for me. He pushes his punches out too much. He's avoided for sure, as he's awkward, but I think Cliinton would outclass him.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Apr 2005, 10:59

jab wrote:Roy Jones was negotiating with Woods for a rematch. That is if Roy does decide to keep fighting.

Roy is shot and his glass chin is exposed. He lost his speed and reflexes and now he cant run away from punches like he used to. But he still figures he can whip Woods again. (the first fight was so one sided that he thinks he can do that again with certainty).

I think Roy has a very good chance to beat Woods again, but it is no longer a certain thing. If Roy slipped even more since his second ko loss, then Woods may give him a third ko defeat.

I think it is 50/50. Slightly favouring Roy. (ok, maybe 55/45 for Roy)

I don't think there were any negotiations. Woods' camp mentioned it as a possibility, and Jones said they hadn't discussed it. All he did was contact Woods' people to congratulate him on getting a title, nothing more.

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 11 Apr 2005, 14:53

knockout wrote:
nickd wrote:Roy does not have a glass chin, he's just old now.
down 3 times in a 16 year pro career..... china chinned......

just like Ali, everyone said he had good reflexes but i have seen him fight (against Berbick) and he was nothing......dunno what all the fuss is about

Yes I hate when people ride roughshod over Jones and say he has a glass chin cos of his last two fights. When a style like his is based on reflexes then age can just catch up so quick and you get hit by shots you could easily dodge before. Jones coming down from Heavyweight just accelerated this I feel.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 11 Apr 2005, 16:55

Graham Brett wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:Agreed, Woods wood be Woodwinded by Oboe.
Oh Dear

No, not oh dear. That was gold. That was gold.

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 12 Apr 2005, 15:31

I heard various rumours. One was that he was thinking of fighting Roy Jones Jr. Another was that he was considering a rematch with Glencoffe Johnson. I don't think Clinton could beat Johnson. He certainly didn't in his first two fights. Who knows with Jones after the recent losses?

Did anybody give any credit to that Calazaghe rumour?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Apr 2005, 15:50

I Still think Clinton CAN beat Johnson - he showed enough climpses that with the right approach (view his effort vs Ashley) he can win this fight.

Woods has impressed abroad with his performance vs Hoye - I was on a US forum and there was a few discussions about how good a fight Woods vs Garray would be.

I don't think it will be that financially rewarding, but what a cracking fight it would be - their styles would suit.

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 20 Apr 2005, 02:43

I didn't realise til after the fight that Hoye had come in such a strong favourite. I'd never heard of him before, but when Clinton Woods a few people on a few forums acted really shocked.

The general rule of thumb is if a fighter has an undefeated record, yet you've never heard of him, they aint that good and aint fought anyone.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 20 Apr 2005, 03:46

But Hoye had beaten people, a KO win against Richard Hall in 4 and a pts victory (albeit controversial) against Montell Griffin, added to the fact he obviously has knockout power was why he was favorite against Woods.

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 02 May 2005, 06:50

Maybe I am just not knowledgable enough. I'd never heard of him, so assumed that he wouldn't be that tough. I hadn't studied his record properly. Still, I was correct about him losing.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 04 May 2005, 03:40

Gonzalez v Griffen tonight in the IBF LW eliminator. A Gonzalez UD for me. Either way, is the winner of this going to be Woods' next fight?