Ken Norton vs David Tua

[Nile4000]

15/Hwy, who wins?

[goose 5]

Tua by knockout.

[scorpio83]

If Norton survived the hard-punching power from the iron-chin Randall "Tex" Cobb, then Norton could outbox the hard-punching iron chin Tua behind his long left jabs and landing left-right combos on the outside to take a decision.

[gilgamesh]

Tua by KO either early or it might take him a while if he's having an off night. If he's anywhere near his best form though he's gonna win I think.

[Les Norton]

Tua. He could hit harder and take the better shot

[2544546]

Absolutely Tua!

[Ambling Alp II]

Norton might be the biggest underachiever on Mythical fights.
Yes Tua had a better him and more power. Tua had those advantages against Bryd. Even Oquendo was beating him easily him for 8 rounds. Overall, Norton was much more skilled than Tua.

If Tua fought aggressive throughout the fight, he would have a good chance of beating Norton, or almost anyone for that matter. But if he would have spent the whole fight do little but looking for the perfect left hook then he would lose a lopsided decision, like the Byrd fight or the Lewis fight.

[margaret thatcher]

cobb had an amazing chin but didnt hit nearly as hard as tua, which is what the danger in the fight would be for norton. that said, tua could also be very lethargic, which is bad news against a super fit hard worker like norton. it's a good match because each of them have a vulnerability that is directly exploited by the other fighters biggest strength. norton would be outworking and outscoring tua, but tua had the power to knock him out at any time if tua got something going, and norton would be in the range for him to hit.

if a gun to my head id prbably go tua coming back from well behind to get a stoppage. that said for once alp is right in that there is definitely credibility to the argument that norton is significantly underrated head to head. this is a man who was 10 seconds away from having wins over both muhammad ali and an unbeaten larry holmes. if norton hadnt been hurt in those final seconds vs holmes, history might look at him very differently. it also wouldnt surprise me if norton took a wide decision over tua, its a fight without much certainty

[Cent0089]

Tua would do that Moorer/Ruiz thing to Norton.

[Ambling Alp II]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

[gilgamesh]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

Are you trying to suggest that Tua didn't land a legit knockout blow on Moorer because he pretty clearly did. It was a right hand instead of a left hook, but it was a legit punch.

[Ambling Alp II]

I'm not suggesting, it I am saying it. Ken Norton is not going down from that. Watch the Holmes fight. He got get harder than that many times and never went down.

[gilgamesh]

I'm not suggesting, it I am saying it. Ken Norton is not going down from that. Watch the Holmes fight. He got get harder than that many times and never went down.

Holmes doesn't hit harder than Tua. I don't think Tua catches Norton in 1 round myself, but Stranger things have happened.

I don't see Norton winning the fight, but if Tua shows up fat and out of shape Norton can get it done. He was definitely more disciplined and more consistently in top condition than Tua, no doubt about that.

[Cent0089]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

I am not native english speaker. But you are suggesting you or i would survive punches from Tua that destroyed Moorer and Ruiz?

[gilgamesh]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

I am not native english speaker. But you are suggesting you or i would survive punches from Tua that destroyed Moorer and Ruiz?

I do find it odd that he seems to be suggesting that the punch that KO'd Moorer wasn't a heavy shot. It pretty obviously was. A hard right hook, right on the mush. The little left hook that bounced off the top of his head as he was falling wasn't much, but he was already out from that right hand that smashed him down.

Tua vs Moorer happened in my 1st year as a full time Boxing fan so I recorded all the HBO broadcasts back then and saw those fights oodles of times waiting for the next time some Live Boxing hit the airwaves.

[elmersalsa]

I don't think that this is a good match for Ken Norton. He would be out boxing David Tua for at least six rounds, but the fight could change with a Tua's left hook.

[Ambling Alp II]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

I am not native english speaker. But you are suggesting you or i would survive punches from Tua that destroyed Moorer and Ruiz?

Wasn't talking about the Ruiz fight. Yes Tua obviously was a big puncher.

But in the Moorer fight, Tua barely grazed Moorer in those last punches that sent Moorer down. A heavyweight who can a take a punch at all would not have gone down from that. It is right there are on the video.

Watch it again, closely. Turn off the sound so you don't hear the announcer screaming. Watch the slow-motion part. you will see that Tua was not nailing him with hard clean shots at all.

[gilgamesh]

Not sure if you or I would have gone down from the "punches" that Tua supposedly landed on Moorer that Moorer went down from. Guarantee Norton would not have.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=tua-Moore ... 01&PC=HCTS

I am not native english speaker. But you are suggesting you or i would survive punches from Tua that destroyed Moorer and Ruiz?

Wasn't talking about the Ruiz fight. Yes Tua obviously was a big puncher.

But in the Moorer fight, Tua barely grazed Moorer in those last punches that sent Moorer down. A heavyweight who can a take a punch at all would not have gone down from that. It is right there are on the video.

Watch it again, closely. Turn off the sound so you don't hear the announcer screaming. Watch the slow-motion part. you will see that Tua was not nailing him with hard clean shots at all.

Not clean shots plural. But clean shot singular.

He landed one big right hand on the chin of Moorer and it was curtains. I remember Emanuel Steward commenting before the fight that Moorer was dry.

Maybe 1 right hand doesn't do Norton in. But Moorer would've been catching more than just that right hand if he didn't go down. More was coming in as he fell. It was only 30 seconds in when he clipped Moorer.

You can hear the thud of the knockout blow as it lands. It's a heavy shot.

[Cent0089]

I am not native english speaker. But you are suggesting you or i would survive punches from Tua that destroyed Moorer and Ruiz?

Wasn't talking about the Ruiz fight. Yes Tua obviously was a big puncher.

But in the Moorer fight, Tua barely grazed Moorer in those last punches that sent Moorer down. A heavyweight who can a take a punch at all would not have gone down from that. It is right there are on the video.

Watch it again, closely. Turn off the sound so you don't hear the announcer screaming. Watch the slow-motion part. you will see that Tua was not nailing him with hard clean shots at all.

Not clean shots plural. But clean shot singular.

He landed one big right hand on the chin of Moorer and it was curtains. I remember Emanuel Steward commenting before the fight that Moorer was dry.

Maybe 1 right hand doesn't do Norton in. But Moorer would've been catching more than just that right hand if he didn't go down. More was coming in as he fell. It was only 30 seconds in when he clipped Moorer.

You can hear the thud of the knockout blow as it lands. It's a heavy shot.

So he really wrote I or him would survive that LOL. Right hook right to the chin hurt him. Left hook behind ear knocked him out and final right hook erased half of his youth memories while going down. This ambling alp guy always kept overrate past boxers, but until now i thought that he at least know boxing

[gilgamesh]

Only 2 shots really land clean for Tua. The last 2 that kinda graze Moorer's head as he was falling didn't land well, but the right hand flush on the chin that caused him to fall was devastating.

He also landed a heavy right hand almost immediately after the fight started that drove Moorer into the ropes. Those are really the only 2 meaningful blows of the fight, but yes most Heavyweights would've been at minimum hurt by those shots, many of them would've seen their night come to an end like Moorer did.

And like I say even assuming you stand up to those shots. The onslaught wouldn't have ended there.

[Ambling Alp II]

Moorer had a weak chin, everyone knew that. Tua was a devastating puncher. Everyone knew that. Everyone knew that. But in that fight, Tua did not land a devastating punch on Moorer. That's all I was saying.
Rahman (not exactly know for his chin) took tons of harder punches from Tua.

[gilgamesh]

Moorer had a weak chin, everyone knew that. Tua was a devastating puncher. Everyone knew that. Everyone knew that. But in that fight, Tua did not land a devastating punch on Moorer. That's all I was saying.
Rahman (not exactly know for his chin) took tons of harder punches from Tua.

The short right hand that puts Moorer out is a heavy shot dude. Crazy to say it isn't.

Moorer did have a somewhat weak chin. By Heavyweight standards I'll grant ya that.

Do you know who was knocked out more frequently than Moorer was in less Professional fights? You'll never guess.

[Ambling Alp II]

Watch it again. Then tell me the exact time when the devastating punch happened.

[gilgamesh]

Watch it again. Then tell me the exact time when the devastating punch happened.

11:30 (the exact moment....that's a 30 second Knockout, and that's what makes David Tua, David Tua)
13:45 (the replays)


I'm watching this on a Computer with broken speakers, and I can hear the thud and I know what Jim Lampley said right after the KO. I've seen this knockout a lot.

[Ambling Alp II]

Come on. We have all seen punches like that countless times and it doesn't hurt the other guy at all. This was a fight that was much more about Moorer than it was about Tua.