top 10 most controversial decisions of all time

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 15 Aug 2005, 02:15

these dont have to be the worst ten decisions of all time, but the most controversial and talked about, so ull most likely see the more famous fights on this list.

1. lewis D12 Holyfield- I thought lewis defintely won, anyone agree?
2. leonard Ws 12 Hagler- people will never agree on who won.
3. Whitaker D 12 Chavez- i have not heard one person say chavez won.
4. Joe Louis 15s Jersey Joe Walcott- old fight that was highly controversial
5. Muhammad Ali 15u Ken Norton- amazing all judges thought ali won
6. Michael Spinks 15u Larry Holmes- both fights controversial. but this was for history for larry holmes.
7. trinidad 12m De La hoya- both undefeated and at their peaks. most thought de la hoya was robbed, very controversial and talked about.
8. Leonard D12 Hearns- both past their primes, but was a big fight and it seemed many though hearns won especially since he scored 2 KD's.
9. Jeff Fenech D12 Azumah Nelson- hgihly controversial, that made a rematch which azumah won by TKO 8.
10. Eric Morales 12s MAB- controversial, great fight that some thought barrera deserved especially with the 12th round KD (slip).

its late and i know im forgetting some importan ones, so gimme a break.

name some other talked about and debated controversial decisions.

sonicman · Post by **sonicman** » 15 Aug 2005, 06:27

I'd put Chavez vs Taylor 1 somewhere near the top...

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 15 Aug 2005, 06:34

Ali - Young

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 Aug 2005, 06:47

Ali-Norton III - I think Ken won. I don't think it was that close. maybe Norton took a few rounds off but really it was a very poor decision.

I think Fenech beat Nelson in that first fight. I didn't see it as being that close.

Hearns beat leonard in the second fight but it was closer than people remember. Tommy was out on his feet in a few rounds. I don't consider it a robbery.

Whittaker-Chavez and Whittaker-Ramirez were both poor decisions.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 15 Aug 2005, 09:14

DLH/Mosley II
Chavez/ Taylor
Chavez/Whitaker
Lewis/Holyfiled I

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 15 Aug 2005, 10:03

I've been a bit puzzled by the two Lewis-Holyfield fights. In the first bout I thought Lewis got off to a good lead and then Holyfield closed the gap somewhat near the end. After 12 rounds I had it 116-114 Lewis. If that sounds ridiculously close, please keep in mind that the judge who scored in favor of Lewis had it 116-113. As I stated, I scored it for Lewis but in all honesty had the decision gone to Evander it still wouldn't rank among the worst decisions I've ever seen. Then in the second match, I thought Holyfield fought noticeably better, and the commentators thought so as well. At the end I had it scored 116-114 again, but this time I had it in favor of Holyfield. When I heard the unanimous decision given to Lewis though by 2, 4 and 6 points I was rather surprised. It seemed as if the second panel of judges were making amends for what two did in the first fight. Both fights were bad decisions in my opinion.

dnahar32 · Post by **dnahar32** » 15 Aug 2005, 11:18

I know it wasn't a championship fight, but the Emmanuel Augustus-Courtney Burton fight had probably the most ridiculous decision I have ever seen. For Augustus to lose was robbery enough, but the scores were so lopsided and ridiculous that I literally think 2 of the judges filled them out before the bout took place.

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 15 Aug 2005, 18:06

The gap in punchstats in Lewis-Holyfield one was so great that it is hard to believe the fight was close.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 17 Aug 2005, 01:01

first place...charles-walcott IV....about one hundred others tied for 2 through 10.

(the referee was yelling encouragement to walcott, for gawdsakes.)

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 18 Aug 2005, 11:21

One I distinctly remember was Gerrie Coetzee and Renaldo Snipes. Really bad call that was still being heatedly discussed many months later.

Cap

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 18 Aug 2005, 15:02

Chavez/Taylor???. C'mon...Meldrick was TKO'd.....deservingly so as he could not respond to Steele when asked was he OK.....I'd put Mosley/DLH 11 as extremely controversial. Oscar won at least 8 rds of that fight.....

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 18 Aug 2005, 16:07

I'd say Trinidad vs De La Hoya was pretty controversial. It's funny the way HBO made Morales vs Barrera seem.. I saw the same fight on a Mexican channel... there was no controversy there. Everyone knew who the winner was. Anyway, it is controversial I guess in the U.S.

Chavez vs Taylor was controversial as well, but I'd say Richard Steele did his job. He thought Taylor was seriously injured... and after the fight.. he did go to the hospital. To me that fight was pitty pat punches vs. hard shots. It just depends on what you prefer. Still very controversial. And to this day, I say Hagler beat Leonard and that alone shows the controversy of that fight.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 18 Aug 2005, 16:34

In 1986 I clearly believe that Carl "The Truth" Williams beat Larry Holmes. I still remember I scored it 146-142 Williams. Every fight fan I knew thought it was a terrible decision, yet the media didn't seem to make a big deal of it. Two of the judges actually had Holmes winning by 7 pts which in my mind would qualify them to be legally blind.

Mistachill · Post by **Mistachill** » 18 Aug 2005, 16:55

1. Ali vs Liston II - the "phantom punch"

2. Whitaker vs Chavez - worst decision I've ever witnessed in recent memory.

3. Arguello vs Pryor I - "give me the bottle, the one I mixed."

4. Leonard vs Duran II - no mas (still don't really know what happened)

5. Leonard vs Hagler - still think Leonard won that fight though I lot of folks disagree.

6. Holyfield vs Bowe II - the "fan man" fight.

7. Duran vs Buchanan - was Buchanan really hurt THAT badly by the low blow? I think he might've just wanted an out.

8. Tyson vs Holyfield II - the "Bite of the Century."

9. Taylor vs Chavez - Yeah, Taylor was hurt but Steele should've known there was less than 10 seconds left in the fight.

10. Leonord vs Hearns I & II - Am I the only one who thinks the first fight was stopped a little prematurely? A lot of people think Hearns clearly won the second fight, I think it was close and could've gone either way.

Honorable mention (because I haven't seen these fights recently) - Ali vs Young; Hagler vs Anterfermo I; Holyfield vs Lewis I & II; Tyson vs Ruddock I; De La Hoya vs Trinidad.

ELA · Post by **ELA** » 18 Aug 2005, 17:27

How About

Dave Tiberi vs James Toney
Lupe Pintor vs Carlos Zarate

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 18 Aug 2005, 18:15

mistachill wrote

Tyson vs Ruddock I

how could that be a controversial decision?? tyson knocked him down twice and clearly outslugged him and won the fight by a decent margin.

114-108 i had it

Mistachill · Post by **Mistachill** » 18 Aug 2005, 18:23

I pulled it off the list while you were probably typing your post.

Didn't the first Tyson/Ruddock fight get stopped prematurely by Richard Steele, thus prompting the rematch?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:mistachill wrote
Tyson vs Ruddock I

how could that be a controversial decision?? tyson knocked him down twice and clearly outslugged him and won the fight by a decent margin.

114-108 i had it

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 18 Aug 2005, 18:37

o im sry my fault, i was thinking of ruddock tyson II. i got the fights mixed up. the first one was a premature stoppage, i was thinking of the 2nd fight, my mistake.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 18 Aug 2005, 22:47

I can't believe that the Graham/Gavilan fight wasn't mentioned. That was their third fight I believe? In 1951?

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 18 Aug 2005, 23:21

Alfredo Escalera vs. Tyrone Everett
Lupe Pintor vs. Carlos Zarate
Jorge Ahumada vs. Bob Foster
Victor Galindez vs. Alvaro Lopez II
Johnny Boudreaux vs. Scott Ledoux
Thomas Hearns vs. Ray Leonard II

- Chuck Johnston

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 18 Aug 2005, 23:27

I see that Pintor vs. Zarate and Hearns vs. Leonard II
have been mention in previous posts.

By the way, I believe that the worst decision in pro
boxing within the last thirty years was Alfredo
Escalera vs. Tyrone Everett. According to ringsiders,
Everett "won" handily. Moreover, "hanky panky" was
suspected in regards to one of the judges.

- Chuck Johnston

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 18 Aug 2005, 23:35

It was thought that someone "influenced" Lou Tress, a
judge who voted for Alfredo Escalera in a bout with
Tyrone Everett.

- Chuck Johnston

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 19 Aug 2005, 06:35

ELA wrote:How About

Dave Tiberi vs James Toney
Lupe Pintor vs Carlos Zarate

I forgot about Tiberi - Toney. Even Toney admits that he should have lost that one.

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