Goerge foreman vs Lennox lewis

Bradley001 · Post by **Bradley001** » 08 Oct 2005, 18:10

Do you think this fight could go to 12 rounds and if it did who would get the victory

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 08 Oct 2005, 18:21

lennox on his best day was tough, but his chin wasnt.

foreman KO 4

-KOKid- · Post by **-KOKid-** » 08 Oct 2005, 18:48

Foreman by mid round KO. He simply had too much raw power for Lewis to risk opening up against. Lewis would become gunshy, get caught on the ropes and clubbed down. A young Foreman is one of the few heavyweights I'd give Lewis a slim chance against. An old Foreman, on the other hand, I see Lewis outpointing rather comfortable.

-KOKid-

shadoesb · Post by **shadoesb** » 08 Oct 2005, 20:43

i think foreman in his prime will knock lennox out. foreman punches back then were like anvils and lennox chin is not that strong and foreman had shown he can hold a punch

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 09 Oct 2005, 05:50

Foreman by KO. Lewis was no Ali.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 09 Oct 2005, 09:22

one of the most certain results ever...Foreman by early KO....Any fighter who gets KO'd by a jorneyman like Rahman hasn't a chance against a top 5 Heavy thru history with a devestating punch.....

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 09 Oct 2005, 10:14

Bradley001 wrote:Do you think this fight could go to 12 rounds and if it did who would get the victory

On the face of it, I say Foreman by KO, but when you analyse it & take into account that Lewis was 2 stones heavier, faster, better technically & more nimble on his feet, I believe that he would have the style to beat George.

Yes he was sparked put by average heavyweights on 2 occasions, but that was when he was ill prepared & over confident.

Against Foreman, Lewis would have been apprehensive & when Lennox fought scared, he fought great.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 09 Oct 2005, 15:11

Syntax Error wrote:
Bradley001 wrote:Do you think this fight could go to 12 rounds and if it did who would get the victory
On the face of it, I say Foreman by KO, but when you analyse it & take into account that Lewis was 2 stones heavier, faster, better technically & more nimble on his feet, I believe that he would have the style to beat George.

Yes he was sparked put by average heavyweights on 2 occasions, but that was when he was ill prepared & over confident.

Against Foreman, Lewis would have been apprehensive & when Lennox fought scared, he fought great.

Foreman ko 2
Lennox had the talent, but something was always shaky about that cat.I think he may hurt George briefly, but George(either version), would smash through him and put him out of his misery.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 12 Oct 2005, 10:42

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:lennox on his best day was tough, but his chin wasnt.

foreman KO 4

Lewis's chin is underrated in my opinion. Yes he was stopped twice by so-so fighters but they were both big punching heavys whose punches would have hurt any fighter. Lewis didn't train properly and underestimated these two and this showed when he beat them both in the rematch.

Lewis has fought and beat some of the biggest punching heavys of recent years - Klitschko, Tyson, Rahman, Tua, Grant, Briggs, Golota, McCall, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Ruddock, Weaver and Mason. All these guys hit hard and Lewis stood up to them without a problem.

Against Foreman Lewis would not take this fight lightly and in my opinion would have been too clever and fast for Foreman and would win the fight by decision. Yes there is always a chance of Foreman landing one of his bombs and stopping Lewis but Foreman was never quick and would be lucky to land a big punch against a cagey Lewis. Lewis also has the power to hurt anyone, and this would be a factor in this fight too.

So Lewis by decision is my thought on this one.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 12 Oct 2005, 11:48

Lewis would be very defensive. George could spark him out. There is no doubt about that.

The thing is Lewis was never really beaten up. He was KO'd twice. He was never really mastered in a boxing sense BUT if hit on the button he would go down and out.

It's also true to say that Lewis has the power to score KDs against George who could be floored. I really don't see this as being an easy fight for either man.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 12 Oct 2005, 11:50

Foreman, despite his own stamina problems, had better stamina then any of those opponents you mentioned. He also had pretty decent handspeed. The big thing here would be the Foreman jab-it was harder and jolted you more then Lewis's flicking and probing jab. Like Bruno did, Foreman would outjab the jabber and then follow up with the uppercuts and left hooks. Lewis, when he can't establish his jab (Bruno, Mercer, Rahman 1, Klitschko) becomes a very flawed fighter, and a prime Foreman would've taken advantage of that chin and taken him out.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 12 Oct 2005, 11:53

Controversial wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:lennox on his best day was tough, but his chin wasnt.

foreman KO 4
- Klitschko, Tyson, Rahman, Tua, Grant, Briggs, Golota, McCall, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Ruddock, Weaver and Mason. All these guys hit hard and Lewis stood up to them without a problem.

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No problem-he was Ko'd by Rahman and McCall, and got wobbled vs Klitschko, Briggs, Bruno and Mercer. None of those guys could be described as being in the class of Foreman, and all of them except Mercer were very poor finishers, and Mercer vs Lewis simply lost b/c he got gassed and was overweight (and 35 years old)

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:06

dempseyfire wrote:Foreman, despite his own stamina problems, had better stamina then any of those opponents you mentioned. He also had pretty decent handspeed. The big thing here would be the Foreman jab-it was harder and jolted you more then Lewis's flicking and probing jab. Like Bruno did, Foreman would outjab the jabber and then follow up with the uppercuts and left hooks. Lewis, when he can't establish his jab (Bruno, Mercer, Rahman 1, Klitschko) becomes a very flawed fighter, and a prime Foreman would've taken advantage of that chin and taken him out.

Dempsey, I've read your analysis of Bruno-Lewis before and went back to view the fight and was totally sold on your view of the fight (and the 2 men's jabs).

When he was champ Foreman seemed to all but neglect the jab. He'd have to use it to win this fight.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 13:02

dempseyfire wrote:
Controversial wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:lennox on his best day was tough, but his chin wasnt.

foreman KO 4
- Klitschko, Tyson, Rahman, Tua, Grant, Briggs, Golota, McCall, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Ruddock, Weaver and Mason. All these guys hit hard and Lewis stood up to them without a problem.

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No problem-he was Ko'd by Rahman and McCall, and got wobbled vs Klitschko, Briggs, Bruno and Mercer. None of those guys could be described as being in the class of Foreman, and all of them except Mercer were very poor finishers, and Mercer vs Lewis simply lost b/c he got gassed and was overweight (and 35 years old)

I actually had Mercer ahead by one point at the end of that fight.

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 12 Oct 2005, 13:35

I would want Foreman to win but sadly I suspect the dastardly Lewis might find a way to prevail.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 12 Oct 2005, 13:47

I'm afraid that the Foreman that KO'd Cooney would be too good for Lewis. Imagine what the 70's version would do. Lewis was simply not a great champion. Rahman KO'd him and Rahman is nothing more than a journeyman. Foreman was a monster and on his best he would have landed cleanly and frequently on Lewis. Lewis hasn;t the chin or heart to withstand Foreman's shots. Now Lennox may also land on George, but the difference is George can take a shot and has the heart of a Lion......

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 12 Oct 2005, 14:22

Without a doubt Forman by KO. Lewis was a bum. Lewis maybe a top 30 all time but foreman is a top 10. Much, much better.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:03

Foreman would have busted up Lewis within 5 rounds.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 12 Oct 2005, 17:26

walshb wrote:I'm afraid that the Foreman that KO'd Cooney would be too good for Lewis.

I love George. He was a great fighter, and he puts forth probably the most personable and likeable personality of any athlete in modern history. Did I say he was great?

However, as great a fighter as George was, he was painfully SLOW during his second career. A prepared LL would be way too fast and skilled for George. His performance against Cooney was good, but Cooney had been in-active about 15 years, and wasn't exactly a great fighter when he was active and at his peak. And he was also very SLOW. The early part of George's second career featured opponents who didn't really move well. This is called good management. And it definitely gave George the opporunity to shine. George had trouble with boxers with good jabs when he was 24, let alone when he was in his 40's.

theone · Post by **theone** » 12 Oct 2005, 17:47

I agree with The Great John L. regarding 2nd career George vs Lennox. Prime George however destroys Lewis. Prime George hit too hard for Lennox weak chin and had much better stamina than Lewis. Remember, when Foreman fought Ali in Africa, it was over 100 degrees, and he still managed to throw nothing but powershots continuosly for 8 rounds.
Same thing in Puerto Rico when he was already past his best and fought Jimmy Young. He threw power punches for twelve rounds in that heat.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 12 Oct 2005, 17:54

theone wrote:I agree with The Great John L. regarding 2nd career George vs Lennox. Prime George however destroys Lewis. Prime George hit too hard for Lennox weak chin and had much better stamina than Lewis. Remember, when Foreman fought Ali in Africa, it was over 100 degrees, and he still managed to throw nothing but powershots continuosly for 8 rounds.
Same thing in Puerto Rico when he was already past his best and fought Jimmy Young. He threw power punches for twelve rounds in that heat.

Yeah, he was able to catch Ali and hit him, so he most likeely would have been able to get to LL as well. And even though Ali was past his prime, he was still a much more creative and intelligent fighter than LL. Against a prime George, I would expect LL to exit between the 5th and 7th rounds. And George would have taken some hits on the way in -- maybe even taste the canvas. But he was much sturdier than Lewis so it would only be a matter of time.

The second career George would probably have been stopped in the later rounds with both eyes swollen nearly closed. It would not have been pretty.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 13 Oct 2005, 10:23

Great point Theone, I always defended George's stamina. Zaire was a perfect example. Foreman threw murderous shots for 8 whole Rds and Ali said himself that he was so very close to exhaustion at the end. Though Ali was also absorbing the shots, goes to show how fit he was....

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Oct 2005, 10:31

walshb wrote:Great point Theone, I always defended George's stamina. Zaire was a perfect example. Foreman threw murderous shots for 8 whole Rds and Ali said himself that he was so very close to exhaustion at the end. Though Ali was also absorbing the shots, goes to show how fit he was....

I read so much about that fight before watching it. I was so excited when I finally got a tape, but somewhat disappointed by the fight itself. I think maybe I was captivated by the reports a little too much.

The thing is Ali is hitting George cleanly with power shots in all of the rounds. Foreman rarely catches Ali with a flush shot. So many of George's punches are smothered or do not land cleanly. Foreman may have won 1-2 rounds maximum based on simply workrate but all the quality os coming from Ali.

With George I think he couldn't pace himself and never really thought about a figth plan for the later rounds. I think it's a real shame he lost to young and never got a rematch with Ali.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 13 Oct 2005, 11:54

40s Foreman vs Lewis to me is a more interesting matchup. The Foreman who fought Evander was a dangerous fighter and he still had the bone crushing power and a good jab. I do favor Lewis to win a decision by sticking and moving but if Foreman landed one of those right hands flush who know?

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 13 Oct 2005, 13:57

Ezzard, to me that was the greatest fight ever. Everything about it, the whole buzz, the venue, the build up and the action was non stop. You say George never landed cleanly. Maybe not to the head, but by god he did some damage to Ali's body. Muhammad was pissin' blood for two weeks. That was unreal. He did land to the head, but not as effective as he did against Norton or Frazier. All credit to Ali. Lewis would never take that sort of punishment, nor would any heavy thru history in my opinion anyway. The most important thing also is that Ali couldn't escape that punishment. I always wonder with the people who say Ali allowed George to punch himself out, the whole Rope a dope thing. If you study the tape, you realise that Ali had no bloody option but to go to the ropes. Foreman stalked him very well and Foreman is not that easy to avoid. He is always in you face. If Muhammad could have danced around all night to a dull points win, I'm in no doubt he would have done that. No man alive could claim that Ali deliberately allowed George to pound away on him. That's just the way the fight turned out....

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