This is from a post from the CBZ about some dude Keiter who called the Ali - Liston (1) bout:
WHEN the Liston fight began, it was clear that Clay, a 10-1 underdog, was something the heavyweight division had never seen before.
"He was dancing in, dancing out, he couldn't get hit, and Liston was not in good shape," Keiter said.
The fact was that Liston, who was coming off two quick knockouts against Floyd Patterson, hadn't trained very hard for Clay.
"He was a middle-aged, overweight champion who didn't train because he thought Clay would be a walk in the park," Keiter said. "But by the second round, Liston looked befuddled."
It was then that Keiter leaned over to one of his guests at ringside, Rocky Marciano, and asked him what he thought of Clay.
"He said, 'Les, I never thought I'd live to see a heavyweight Sugar Ray Robinson. But that's what I'm looking at tonight,' " Keiter said.
Interesting to hear Marciano was that impressed. Shows he knew his boxing.
From what I have read the reaction after the Ali V Liston fight was one of outrage at it being a fix....was Marciano even there?...I have an old copy of The Ring magazine where it gives the views of the celebrities who saw the fight...Dempsey called it an-out-and-out fix..that I remember... but I will have to dig it out an give it a look.
tonyevs wrote:But is it true that Marciano said it??
From what I have read the reaction after the Ali V Liston fight was one of outrage at it being a fix....was Marciano even there?...I have an old copy of The Ring magazine where it gives the views of the celebrities who saw the fight...Dempsey called it an-out-and-out fix..that I remember... but I will have to dig it out an give it a look.
The first fight?
Please quote your references. I'd be interested to read anthing you may have access to.
the first liston-ali fight was defintley not a fix IMO. the 2nd one, liston just rolled over and gave up.
- idk if rocky was at the fight or not, he probably was, he usually attened all the big championship fights, ESPECIALLY the heavyweight championship fights.
Like Ali or Clay at the time said to Pacheco and Dundee and all his camp....he said Liston was a bully and all bullies are quitters, how right he was...
tonyevs wrote:But is it true that Marciano said it??
From what I have read the reaction after the Ali V Liston fight was one of outrage at it being a fix....was Marciano even there?...I have an old copy of The Ring magazine where it gives the views of the celebrities who saw the fight...Dempsey called it an-out-and-out fix..that I remember... but I will have to dig it out an give it a look.
The first fight?
Please quote your references. I'd be interested to read anthing you may have access to.
First thing tomorrow I shall go through the mags
You have got me thinking now , I`m sure it was the first fight...I shall check and get back on it:TU:
, I`m sure it was the first fight...I shall check and get back on it:TU: