who wins the following heavyweight matchups in your opinion

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

elmer ray vs cleveland williams

my pick: Ray KO 7 Williams



archie moore vs ray mercer

my pick: archie moore 15 split mercer


Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle

my pick: tucker 15 split lyle



floyd patterson vs gene tunney

my pick: Patterson 15 unanimous tunney


sam mcvey vs max baer

my pick: Mcvey 15 maj baer


harry wills vs jerry quarry


my pick: wills 15 split quarry




arturo godoy vs tom sharkey


my pick: godoy 15 split sharkey



buddy baer vs ernie terell


my pick: baer 15 unanimous terrell


jimmy young vs eddie machen


my pick: young 15 unanimous


roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena

my pick: lastarza 15 unanimous


george chuvalo vs rex layne

my pick: chuvalo 15 maj layne


earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon

my pick: witherspoon TKO 12 shavers



Billy Miske vs Zora folley


my pick: Miske 15 split

[Trent]

I cant argue with your picks, except the Archie moore vs Mercer,

I think Mercer is too big and too strong, Mercer TkO 4

[Grant]

I predict that Chuvalo would have got cut!

[theone]

following heavyweight matchups in your opinion Reply with quote

elmer ray vs cleveland williams

my pick: Ray KO 7 Williams

Williams ko 4.

archie moore vs ray mercer

my pick: archie moore 15 split mercer

Dont know if I agree. Its not out of the realm of possibility I guess.

Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle

my pick: tucker 15 split lyle

Lyle UD over Tucker. Lyle was just better.

floyd patterson vs gene tunney

my pick: Patterson 15 unanimous tunney

Agreed. Patterson faster more power. Tunney good enough to survive.

sam mcvey vs max baer

my pick: Mcvey 15 maj baer

Okay.

harry wills vs jerry quarry


my pick: wills 15 split quarry

Quarry too tough, too good for Wills. Late tko or UD.

arturo godoy vs tom sharkey


my pick: godoy 15 split sharkey

Godoy UD most likely.

buddy baer vs ernie terell


my pick: baer 15 unanimous terrell

Terrell very easy decision over Baer.

jimmy young vs eddie machen


my pick: young 15 unanimous

Agree.

roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena

my pick: lastarza 15 unanimous

Bonavena late ko over Lastraza.

george chuvalo vs rex layne

my pick: chuvalo 15 maj layne

Chuvalo mid rounds tko over Layne.

earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon

my pick: witherspoon TKO 12 shavers

Not a bad pick, but for some reason I see Shavers catching Witherspoon early and tko'ing him by round three.

Billy Miske vs Zora folley


my pick: Miske 15 split

Folly outboxes and outclasses Miske fairly easy over 15 rounds.

[silkov]

Don't see Patterson beating Tunney... Gene had a good punch as well as speed... Tunney would win on points or late round stoppage...

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

following heavyweight matchups in your opinion Reply with quote

elmer ray vs cleveland williams

my pick: Ray KO 7 Williams

Williams ko 4.

archie moore vs ray mercer

my pick: archie moore 15 split mercer

Dont know if I agree. Its not out of the realm of possibility I guess.

Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle

my pick: tucker 15 split lyle

Lyle UD over Tucker. Lyle was just better.

floyd patterson vs gene tunney

my pick: Patterson 15 unanimous tunney

Agreed. Patterson faster more power. Tunney good enough to survive.

sam mcvey vs max baer

my pick: Mcvey 15 maj baer

Okay.

harry wills vs jerry quarry


my pick: wills 15 split quarry

Quarry too tough, too good for Wills. Late tko or UD.

arturo godoy vs tom sharkey


my pick: godoy 15 split sharkey

Godoy UD most likely.

buddy baer vs ernie terell


my pick: baer 15 unanimous terrell

Terrell very easy decision over Baer.

jimmy young vs eddie machen


my pick: young 15 unanimous

Agree.

roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena

my pick: lastarza 15 unanimous

Bonavena late ko over Lastraza.

george chuvalo vs rex layne

my pick: chuvalo 15 maj layne

Chuvalo mid rounds tko over Layne.

earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon

my pick: witherspoon TKO 12 shavers

Not a bad pick, but for some reason I see Shavers catching Witherspoon early and tko'ing him by round three.

Billy Miske vs Zora folley


my pick: Miske 15 split

Folly outboxes and outclasses Miske fairly easy over 15 rounds.

ur severely underating elmer ray im guessing u didnt do much research on him. i rate ray in my top 30 heavyweights of all time. ray would do everything williams could do plus more. ray could maytch cleveland williams in punching power with both hands, plus ray is the better boxer and has the better defense.



when u think about it moore has a much better chance than people think. moore in his heavyweight prime 51-56 was a very good heavyweight, i rate him top 50 of all time heavyweight. moore was very good at mandhanling the bigger heavies (valdes, baker,etc). moore had an extreemely long 78" reach, 2" longer than mercers reach. plus moore was the better ring technician, better defense, better boxing skills, and argueably just as good a puncher at heavy.




i disagree with u on lastarza getting knocked out by ellis. in lastarzas prime, he was never knocked out and was only stopped once by marciano. if marciano couldnt knock lastarza out, niether could bonavena. this is not a good styles matchup for osar. oscar always had trouble vs the slick boxers folley, ellis and even patterson. lastarza a boxer-mover defenseive wizard would outbox bonavena for the 15 rounds. watch lastarza on film, hes keeps his hands very high, he has a very modern style.



terell easy decision over baer?? u underestimate buddy baer. baer had exceptional power, he was rated in the rings top 100 greatest punchers of all time list at around 60th. baer was one of the most skilled of the giants of the past years and had the power to knock u out with one punch. at 6'7 250lb, terell would ge giving up around 50lbs. terell might have been slightly the better boxer, but baer was more powerful and bigger and stronger and I can see him doing more damage in the fight leading him to a close decision.


folley outclasses miske easily?? o u mean the way he outclassed young jack johnson, alejandro lavorante, johhnny summerlin, and doug jones? u underate miske. im guessing u havnt done much research on him. miske was a very slick master boxer. I think miske was a better all around boxer than folley and was faster and more elusive. I favor miske.


I dont think chuvalo TKOs layne. in laynes short prime 49-52, layne took bob satterfields best punches and kept coming forward. and satterfield hit harder than chuvalo. layne had a lot of heart and a good chin, and chuvalo wasnt the most skilled guy in the world. this would be a close fight, layne was strong and had a heavy right hand as well as a good inside fighter. i favor chuvalo though he was stronger more durable and slightly more skilled.



quarry too good for wills? once again how much research have u done on wills. did u ever see wills on film?

i notice that u tend to favor the contenders from 1960 on over the contenders pre 1960. its almost like u think they got better post 1960. u defintley dont seem to think highly of the contenders in the 20s at all.



tucker was very skilled for a big man and tucker had a excellent jab and was a good standup boxer. lyle showed he could be outboxed and fairly easy at times, and lyle was pretty slow. i favor tucker slightly even though i rate lyle higher.



i agree with ur patterson pick. most people will disagree with me, but i see patterson beating tunney at heavyweight. IMO tunney is overated as a heavyweight.

[barry]

elmer ray vs cleveland williams

my pick: Williams KO 5 Ray, but could very easily go the other way.



archie moore vs ray mercer

my pick: archie moore UD 15 mercer


Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle

my pick: draw



floyd patterson vs gene tunney

my pick: Tunney UD over Patterson, maybe even a stoppage.


sam mcvey vs max baer

my pick: Baer KO over McVey, at his best Baer was great.


harry wills vs jerry quarry


my pick: wills 15 split quarry…agree




arturo godoy vs tom sharkey


my pick: Sharkey over Godoy, probably on points



buddy baer vs ernie terell


my pick: baer 15 unanimous Terrell…agree, maybe even a stoppage


jimmy young vs eddie machen


my pick: young 15 unanimous..agree, but could easily go the other way.


roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena

my pick: lastarza 15 unanimous, or Bonevena by stoppage


george chuvalo vs rex layne

my pick: chuvalo 15 maj layne…agree, maybe a stoppage for Chuvalo


earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon

my pick: witherspoon TKO 8 shavers



Billy Miske vs Zora folley


my pick: Folley by points

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

good picks barry, u really think folley was the better boxer than miske?

[barry]

It's a close call. I've really not done enough research on either fighter. I was thinking that Folley was like 6' 3" and a big heavyweight and while I don't think size matters that much, I assumed that it would in this bout, but there wasn't really that much difference in their size, so it would be a toss-up to who won. They both fought pretty solid opposition, though I think Miske fought more quality opponents.

[Expug]

Good job bringing some of these somewhat forgotten about fighters into this post Brockton. It is good to see Billy Miske and Elmer Ray included.I think you have alot of Boxing knowledge man.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

It's a close call. I've really not done enough research on either fighter. I was thinking that Folley was like 6' 3" and a big heavyweight and while I don't think size matters that much, I assumed that it would in this bout, but there wasn't really that much difference in their size, so it would be a toss-up to who won. They both fought pretty solid opposition, though I think Miske fought more quality opponents.

ya,


i think folley was actually 6'1 195lb in his prime, not much bigger than miske. though thats what it says on boxrec, could be wrong. i watched cooper vs folley and cooper is 6'2 and folley looked just as tall if not taller than cooper.


miske had no trouble beating bigger guys like


6'2 215lb 84" reach tom cowler or 6'4 230lb carl morris. and against a better skilled giant fred fulton, miske fought on even terms with him.


folley was a good boxer/puncher but he had a weak chin and was often inconsistent. I think miske was faster, more elusive and probably a better boxer than folley. miske was also a very good inside fighter and against the bigger men like fulton and carl morris, miske won most of his rounds doing damage on the inside. I can see miske outworking folley.

[barry]

According to the database, they are pretty much close to the same size. Miske was a very good boxer and it does seem that Folley failed whenever he stepped up, but again, I haven't looked over his record so I am just speaking from memory.

[Ezzard]

I like these match ups and almost all of your picks but the one I really disagree with is Tunney-Patterson. On a number of the others I just haven't seen enough of, or know enough about, a particular fighter.

I feel Tunney was a great HW who rarely gets his due these days. I think it would be a close fight but Gene was a notch above.

[barry]

I agree about Tunney...I think he would have easily, easily outpointed Patterson.

[perrycarter]

Nice job, I agree with all of your picks except two. I see Terrell beats Baer on points in a close fight. Also, I like Folley over Miske.

I also strongly disagree with theone, Wills would beat Quarry.

[barry]

I don't see it happening because Patterson fought in the 50s and Tunney in the 20s, but then again, all of the people in the list fought in different era's...I guess that's why it's called fantasy match-ups!

[The Great John L]

elmer ray vs cleveland williams
Ray early rd KO

archie moore vs ray mercer
Moore UD

Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle
Lyle UD

floyd patterson vs gene tunney
Tunney UD

sam mcvey vs max baer
Mcvey UD

harry wills vs jerry quarry
Quarry UD

arturo godoy vs tom sharkey
Sharkey mid rd KO

buddy baer vs ernie terell
Baer early rd KO

jimmy young vs eddie machen
Young UD

roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena
Bonavena SD

george chuvalo vs rex layne
Chuvalo UD

earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon
Shavers early rd KO

Billy Miske vs Zora folley
Miske UD

[Ezzard]

Gene Tunney fight a black man? I don't see that happening.

Dec

Was Tunney vocally against black-white match ups?

[BoxBuzz]

I think he would have been fine with Tunney Patterson card since he would win that particular match up.

[Ambling Alp]

Some good matchups here.

Elmer Ray -Clevlenad Willams, Ray by KO9.

Archie Moore-Ray Mercer, Mercer by KO8

Tony Tucker-Ron Lyle, Tucker by KO10

Floyd Patterson-Gene Tunney, Tunney by lopsided decision.

Sam McVey-Max Baer, McVey by decision

Harry Wills-Jerry Quarry, Wills by decision

Arturo Godoy-Tom Sharkey, Sharkey by decision

Buddy Baer-Ernie Terrell, Terrell by decision.

Jimmy Young-Eddie Machen, Young would deserve the decision, but the judges would probably give the decision to Machen.

Roland La Starza-Oscar Bonavena, Bonavena by close decision.

George Chuvalo-Rex Layne, Chuvalo by decision.

Earnie Shavers-Tim Witherspoon, Witherspoon by decision.

Billy Miske-Zora Folley, Folley by close decision.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Some good matchups here.

Elmer Ray -Clevlenad Willams, Ray by KO9.

Archie Moore-Ray Mercer, Mercer by KO8

Tony Tucker-Ron Lyle, Tucker by KO10

Floyd Patterson-Gene Tunney, Tunney by lopsided decision.

Sam McVey-Max Baer, McVey by decision

Harry Wills-Jerry Quarry, Wills by decision

Arturo Godoy-Tom Sharkey, Sharkey by decision

Buddy Baer-Ernie Terrell, Terrell by decision.

Jimmy Young-Eddie Machen, Young would deserve the decision, but the judges would probably give the decision to Machen.

Roland La Starza-Oscar Bonavena, Bonavena by close decision.

George Chuvalo-Rex Layne, Chuvalo by decision.

Earnie Shavers-Tim Witherspoon, Witherspoon by decision.

Billy Miske-Zora Folley, Folley by close decision.

i think u defintley underate moore but we already beat that topic into the ground. mercer was no rocky marciano or floyd patterson. mercer couldnt even beat a nearly shot larry holmes or a old journeyman jesse fergusson. archie moore had too much boxing skills and ring smarts for mercer.

- u also underate floyd patterson and overate gene tunney as a heavyweight IMO

- i also think theres no way tucker will knock out lyle

[BoxBuzz]

Blocky your comin through for me on the Moore equation here, good for you! But settle down on that Patterson angle.

[dempseyfire]

following heavyweight matchups in your opinion Reply with quote

elmer ray vs cleveland williams

my pick: Ray KO 7 Williams

Williams ko 4.

archie moore vs ray mercer

my pick: archie moore 15 split mercer

Dont know if I agree. Its not out of the realm of possibility I guess.

Tony Tucker vs Ron Lyle

my pick: tucker 15 split lyle

Lyle UD over Tucker. Lyle was just better.

floyd patterson vs gene tunney

my pick: Patterson 15 unanimous tunney

Agreed. Patterson faster more power. Tunney good enough to survive.

sam mcvey vs max baer

my pick: Mcvey 15 maj baer

Okay.

harry wills vs jerry quarry


my pick: wills 15 split quarry

Quarry too tough, too good for Wills. Late tko or UD.

arturo godoy vs tom sharkey


my pick: godoy 15 split sharkey

Godoy UD most likely.

buddy baer vs ernie terell


my pick: baer 15 unanimous terrell

Terrell very easy decision over Baer.

jimmy young vs eddie machen


my pick: young 15 unanimous

Agree.

roland lastarza vs oscar bonavena

my pick: lastarza 15 unanimous

Bonavena late ko over Lastraza.

george chuvalo vs rex layne

my pick: chuvalo 15 maj layne

Chuvalo mid rounds tko over Layne.

earnie shavers vs tim witherspoon

my pick: witherspoon TKO 12 shavers

Not a bad pick, but for some reason I see Shavers catching Witherspoon early and tko'ing him by round three.

Billy Miske vs Zora folley


my pick: Miske 15 split

Folly outboxes and outclasses Miske fairly easy over 15 rounds.

ur severely underating elmer ray im guessing u didnt do much research on him. i rate ray in my top 30 heavyweights of all time. ray would do everything williams could do plus more. ray could maytch cleveland williams in punching power with both hands, plus ray is the better boxer and has the better defense.



when u think about it moore has a much better chance than people think. moore in his heavyweight prime 51-56 was a very good heavyweight, i rate him top 50 of all time heavyweight. moore was very good at mandhanling the bigger heavies (valdes, baker,etc). moore had an extreemely long 78" reach, 2" longer than mercers reach. plus moore was the better ring technician, better defense, better boxing skills, and argueably just as good a puncher at heavy.




i disagree with u on lastarza getting knocked out by ellis. in lastarzas prime, he was never knocked out and was only stopped once by marciano. if marciano couldnt knock lastarza out, niether could bonavena. this is not a good styles matchup for osar. oscar always had trouble vs the slick boxers folley, ellis and even patterson. lastarza a boxer-mover defenseive wizard would outbox bonavena for the 15 rounds. watch lastarza on film, hes keeps his hands very high, he has a very modern style.



terell easy decision over baer?? u underestimate buddy baer. baer had exceptional power, he was rated in the rings top 100 greatest punchers of all time list at around 60th. baer was one of the most skilled of the giants of the past years and had the power to knock u out with one punch. at 6'7 250lb, terell would ge giving up around 50lbs. terell might have been slightly the better boxer, but baer was more powerful and bigger and stronger and I can see him doing more damage in the fight leading him to a close decision.


folley outclasses miske easily?? o u mean the way he outclassed young jack johnson, alejandro lavorante, johhnny summerlin, and doug jones? u underate miske. im guessing u havnt done much research on him. miske was a very slick master boxer. I think miske was a better all around boxer than folley and was faster and more elusive. I favor miske.


I dont think chuvalo TKOs layne. in laynes short prime 49-52, layne took bob satterfields best punches and kept coming forward. and satterfield hit harder than chuvalo. layne had a lot of heart and a good chin, and chuvalo wasnt the most skilled guy in the world. this would be a close fight, layne was strong and had a heavy right hand as well as a good inside fighter. i favor chuvalo though he was stronger more durable and slightly more skilled.



quarry too good for wills? once again how much research have u done on wills. did u ever see wills on film?

i notice that u tend to favor the contenders from 1960 on over the contenders pre 1960. its almost like u think they got better post 1960. u defintley dont seem to think highly of the contenders in the 20s at all.



tucker was very skilled for a big man and tucker had a excellent jab and was a good standup boxer. lyle showed he could be outboxed and fairly easy at times, and lyle was pretty slow. i favor tucker slightly even though i rate lyle higher.



i agree with ur patterson pick. most people will disagree with me, but i see patterson beating tunney at heavyweight. IMO tunney is overated as a heavyweight.

BB, besides reading some news reports, we can't really accuratly gauge how good Ray was. Judging by his record and what people reported, he was a very good heavyweight. But we can't predict if he'd beat Williams . .
Ditto with Tom Sharkey. How can we really say how he'd do in fantasy matchups vs guys we have a fair amount of footage on??

Lyle would knockout Tucker. He had a more accurate jab, was a much bigger puncher, better punching technique and more durable. Tucker had athletic skills but slow-danced in the ring way too much and gave away rounds.

Machen-Young would be a snooze-fest, but I see the harder-hitting and faster Machen stealing the decision.

Terrell would've jabbed Baer's face into silly putty.

Other then that I agree

[theone]

quarry too good for wills? once again how much research have u done on wills. did u ever see wills on film?

Yes I have, read up on him too. Wills was a big strong guy with solid boxing skills. What seperated him from the pack was his size and strenght. Alot fighters in that couldnt cope with a guy his size with good boxing skills. Langford could, while Wills was still green, as soon as he gained some skill and experience, his size was too much for Lanford and alot of others to overcome. This would not be an advantage against Quarry, who was used fighting big skilled fighters.
Ive watched some film of Wills fighting, the Sharkey fight and some other clips when he was in his prime. He fought in that same awkward style most of the bigger fighters back then used to use. Dempsey, who fought more like a modern day fighter would have destroyed him. I think Quarry would have beat him also.

[theone]

u also underate floyd patterson and overate gene tunney as a heavyweight IMO

I agree with this. Patterson punched harder and was alot faster than Tunney, and was a much more proven heavyweight.