Marciano vs Tyson

damien590 · Post by **damien590** » 05 Feb 2006, 20:51

OMG! This fight would be so explosive while it lasted. Tyson hit much
harder than Maricano & better head movement....but Marciano's heart
was unmatched.

I'm not sure Marciano would survive Tyson's early pressure. Not being
biased or racist, but young Tyson totally blew out his caucasion opponents
with ease & talent wise Marciano wouldn't stand a chance.

Don't talk about the weight issue because Mike started off a 200lbs.
Marciano would try to slug with Mike & that would be the end of the bout.

Tyson ko 2

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Feb 2006, 23:12

tyson TKO 6 Marciano

i dont compare modern fighters vs old timers unless the old timer gets the same modern benefits 190lb holyfield did so were talking a 205-210lb marciano vs peak 86-88 tyson.

- tyson did not hit much harder than marciano. however i will give tyson the slight edge in that department

damien, tyson would NEVER keep marciano down for the 10 count, i cant see anyone in history doing that!

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 05 Feb 2006, 23:30

Marciano KO 11 Tyson

Louis KO 8 Marciano

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Feb 2006, 23:40

well if any man is going to put marciano down for the count, it would be joe louis, however i still dont see that happening. i believe to keep marciano down for the 10 count, u have to kill him. but hey thats just my opinion. there are many other fighters i share that same opnion about

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Feb 2006, 01:17

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:well if any man is going to put marciano down for the count, it would be joe louis, however i still dont see that happening. i believe to keep marciano down for the 10 count, u have to kill him. but hey thats just my opinion. there are many other fighters i share that same opnion about

A lot of people share that illusion.

Even some boxers.

Tyson used to come out with stuff like "I refuse to be beaten" and "You'd have to kill me to beat me". Then he met Buster Douglas.

I prefer that old boxing truism: "Anyone can go if they're hit right".

It's all subjective of course, but seeing Rocky down and looking hurt against Archie Moore suggests to me that if that had been prime Louis in there Rocky would have been sleeping like a baby.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 06 Feb 2006, 06:56

Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
I prefer that old boxing truism: "Anyone can go if they're hit right".

Totally agree and unless you are simple enough to believe that someone is somehow more than human the it's impossible to argue against.

As for this fight...

I immediately thought Tyson's fast start and speed will overwhelm Rocky early on. But Marciano's chin is as good as Holyfield's. They both also had amazing stamina. Rocky was probably better inside than Tyson. If Rocky gets through the first 4-5 rounds without too taking too much punishment then he can win the fight. It's a tough one to call.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 06 Feb 2006, 09:53

Tyson by death. Marciano has one way to fight...going forward and that is suicide if you are going to toe with a prime Tyson, Razor Ruddock did it but Rocky was no Ruddock.

Marciano hit harder than Tyson with his right in sheer one punch power, but Tyson had a harder left hook + uppercut, had far far better handspeed, was a far acomplished and greater puncher than Rocky and had better movement and better defense. Rocky however had a slight edge in endurance as he did indeed fight in the era where 15 round fights were still mandotory (Although Tyson vs Biggs was a 15 round fight) and had heart. But Tyson also had heart and a better chin to go with it.

All the advantages go to Tyson and is far gifted than Marciano ever was.
Tyson KO 2

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Feb 2006, 12:30

Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:well if any man is going to put marciano down for the count, it would be joe louis, however i still dont see that happening. i believe to keep marciano down for the 10 count, u have to kill him. but hey thats just my opinion. there are many other fighters i share that same opnion about
A lot of people share that illusion.

Even some boxers.

Tyson used to come out with stuff like "I refuse to be beaten" and "You'd have to kill me to beat me". Then he met Buster Douglas.

I prefer that old boxing truism: "Anyone can go if they're hit right".

It's all subjective of course, but seeing Rocky down and looking hurt against Archie Moore suggests to me that if that had been prime Louis in there Rocky would have been sleeping like a baby.

was rocky hurt against moore? it was a flash knockdown, rocky was up at 1. i would say rocky was hurt, but not badly hurt. rocky did say he blacked out for 1 sec when moore hit him.

decagon u call me a marciano nuthugger. i dont like the term nuthugger. please definse the term for me. razorKO is a coetzee nuthugger. i rate marciano fairly and back up all my views with facts, i am not a marciano nuthugger. a nuthugger would be someone who rates marciano # 1.

tyson TKO 6 marciano- marcianos only chance would be on the inside because hes a better inside fighter than tyson, but i feel this would turn into a slugout and i give the edge to mike because he is a greater all around puncher than rock and has faster handspeed and throws better combinations. tysons left uppercut will be a key punch in putting away marciano. tyson also has the superior defense to avoid marcianos bombs and land huge counterpunches.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 06 Feb 2006, 12:56

A very destructive fight, both men could win a fight with 1 connective blow

BUT

my best guess would go to Marciano, the man never knew fear, tieredness or mercy!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Feb 2006, 13:08

Marciano would have too much heart for Tyson and would intimidate Tyson in the ring much as Holyfield did, ...Marciano by ko or stoppage in about 10 or 12 rounds...

damien590 · Post by **damien590** » 06 Feb 2006, 14:59

Marciano does have a better heart, but talent wise I can't see him out-
slugging Mike. Tyson is the best slugger/toe-to-toe in the history of the
sport & Marciano's heart would get him killed.

I can't believe u guys think that Marciano would win a brawl with young
Mike. Not a chance in hell. Marciano had FURY & Mike was a combo of
both SPEED & FURY.

Tyson ko 2

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Feb 2006, 15:20

damien590 wrote:Marciano does have a better heart, but talent wise I can't see him out-
slugging Mike. Tyson is the best slugger/toe-to-toe in the history of the
sport & Marciano's heart would get him killed.

I can't believe u guys think that Marciano would win a brawl with young
Mike. Not a chance in hell. Marciano had FURY & Mike was a combo of
both SPEED & FURY.

Tyson ko 2

Tyson was fine when he was ahead but when he faced someone who stood up to him mentally or physically he would break, when did Tyson come through wars to win or win fights with severe cuts?... Tyson was a front runner. Rocky would have forced Tyson back and ground him down... Rocky wasn't exactly slow himself and had miles more heart and determination than Mike. The key in this fight would be Rockys superior mental strength and determination....

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 06 Feb 2006, 15:52

Tyson by quick KO, but not for a ten count. I agree with Brock- NOBODY puts him down for ten. TKo only.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Feb 2006, 18:06

silkov wrote:
damien590 wrote:Marciano does have a better heart, but talent wise I can't see him out-
slugging Mike. Tyson is the best slugger/toe-to-toe in the history of the
sport & Marciano's heart would get him killed.

I can't believe u guys think that Marciano would win a brawl with young
Mike. Not a chance in hell. Marciano had FURY & Mike was a combo of
both SPEED & FURY.

Tyson ko 2
Tyson was fine when he was ahead but when he faced someone who stood up to him mentally or physically he would break, when did Tyson come through wars to win or win fights with severe cuts?... Tyson was a front runner. Rocky would have forced Tyson back and ground him down... Rocky wasn't exactly slow himself and had miles more heart and determination than Mike. The key in this fight would be Rockys superior mental strength and determination....

i dont understand why u use the holyfield fights against tyson. TYSON WAS WELL PAST HIS PRIME. when did tyson ever show he didnt have heart? just because he didnt ever get to prove his heart doesnt mean he didnt have it. taking huge punishment from douglas and coming back to nearly KO fouglas in the 8th shows heart. taking huge shots from lennox for 8 straight rounds showed incredible heart. mike staying on his feet taking huge shots from holyfield was heart.

how come sonny liston, who quit on his stool once he faced adversity has heart and not mike tyson?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Feb 2006, 18:22

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
silkov wrote:
damien590 wrote:Marciano does have a better heart, but talent wise I can't see him out-
slugging Mike. Tyson is the best slugger/toe-to-toe in the history of the
sport & Marciano's heart would get him killed.

I can't believe u guys think that Marciano would win a brawl with young
Mike. Not a chance in hell. Marciano had FURY & Mike was a combo of
both SPEED & FURY.

Tyson ko 2
Tyson was fine when he was ahead but when he faced someone who stood up to him mentally or physically he would break, when did Tyson come through wars to win or win fights with severe cuts?... Tyson was a front runner. Rocky would have forced Tyson back and ground him down... Rocky wasn't exactly slow himself and had miles more heart and determination than Mike. The key in this fight would be Rockys superior mental strength and determination....

i dont understand why u use the holyfield fights against tyson. TYSON WAS WELL PAST HIS PRIME. when did tyson ever show he didnt have heart? just because he didnt ever get to prove his heart doesnt mean he didnt have it. taking huge punishment from douglas and coming back to nearly KO fouglas in the 8th shows heart. taking huge shots from lennox for 8 straight rounds showed incredible heart. mike staying on his feet taking huge shots from holyfield was heart.

how come sonny liston, who quit on his stool once he faced adversity has heart and not mike tyson?

What can I say, the only time I'm supporting Marciano you decide to turn against him!!... :x

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Feb 2006, 18:31

You forget also that Holyfield was well past his best when he fought Tyson... he was by far the more battle worn fighters of the two... but he won because of his mental attitude...

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Feb 2006, 18:35

silkov wrote:You forget also that Holyfield was well past his best when he fought Tyson... he was by far the more battle worn fighters of the two... but he won because of his mental attitude...

i disagree, holyfield fought the best fight of his life vs tyson. holyfield was not past his best. besides, its not about being battle worn. tyson was far more gone than holyfield was plus tyson had missed 3 years due to inactivity.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Feb 2006, 19:03

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
silkov wrote:You forget also that Holyfield was well past his best when he fought Tyson... he was by far the more battle worn fighters of the two... but he won because of his mental attitude...

i disagree, holyfield fought the best fight of his life vs tyson. holyfield was not past his best. besides, its not about being battle worn. tyson was far more gone than holyfield was plus tyson had missed 3 years due to inactivity.

How can you say Holyfield wasn't battle scarred against Tyson?... ofcourse he was past his peak. Tyson wasn't 100% but neither was Holyfield by a long shot. Most people feared for Holyfields health when the fight was made, ...this was after the Bowe fights, and the Moorer fight... Holyfield was a long way past his best, you only need to look at his old fights to see that. Ali fought his greatest battle against George Foreman but few would claim that he was at his peak anymore, same with Duran vs Barkley, probably his greatest performance but he was still past his peak.
That is one of the things missing from Tysons career that holds him back from greatness, he never came from behind to win, he never avenged a loss, and he never upset the odds and pulled off a great victory when he'd been written off.....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Feb 2006, 20:43

silkov wrote:Marciano would have too much heart for Tyson and would intimidate Tyson in the ring much as Holyfield did, ...Marciano by ko or stoppage in about 10 or 12 rounds...

Tyson in the 80's never got intimadated though.

Tyson by KO.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Feb 2006, 22:17

Max Molyneux wrote:
silkov wrote:Marciano would have too much heart for Tyson and would intimidate Tyson in the ring much as Holyfield did, ...Marciano by ko or stoppage in about 10 or 12 rounds...
Tyson in the 80's never got intimadated though.

Tyson by KO.

no, tyson by TKO

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 07 Feb 2006, 08:32

Decagon I'm in agreement, Tyson is no good in real war, so he has to get it done early. Anything past about the 6th and you have to favor a real warrior.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 07 Feb 2006, 11:02

This is actually a decent matchup with 2 seemingly obvious outcomes. Tyson TKO early, say before 5. Or Marciano KO/TKO late, say 10 or 11. I want to say Marciano survives the early storm, but Tyson was far more athletic and powerful in his young age than anyone Marciano ever faught. Mike was no slouch when it came to his chin, it was his heart that became the problem. I believe this would let Mike stand tall after recieving any blows Marciano would be able to land early. But if Mike couldnt get the ref to stop the fight, the Rock wasnt going to stay down, then Marciano wears him down and pulls out a late stoppage.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Feb 2006, 11:46

one thing i notice is people seem to always pick marciano by late round stoppage and base it on som,e of his later fights, but remember goldman tinkered with his style and marciano became a wear u down atrittion guy post 1953. but in 51-53 I think rocky was at his best and that was when he had his full power and at anytime in the fight he could take u out with one punch. I think its possible mike could be stopped just as well early after getting tagged with a huge right as is mike getting TKO'd late

however my pick is mike

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 07 Feb 2006, 15:44

Well it's hard not to give Tyson the benefit of the doubt in the early going, but it's also hard to imagine him finding the stones to win a fight in the trenches.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 08 Feb 2006, 09:50

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:one thing i notice is people seem to always pick marciano by late round stoppage and base it on som,e of his later fights, but remember goldman tinkered with his style and marciano became a wear u down atrittion guy post 1953. but in 51-53 I think rocky was at his best and that was when he had his full power and at anytime in the fight he could take u out with one punch. I think its possible mike could be stopped just as well early after getting tagged with a huge right as is mike getting TKO'd late

however my pick is mike

I based the late round stoppage by Marciano on the fact that Mike was known to get discouraged and tire in those rounds. With all of Mikes upper body movement, Rocky wouldnt hit him flush early. Mike had a great chin and I think even if Rocky connected, Mike wasnt budging at first. I didnt judge the stoppage on Rockys latter fights, although he was just as dangerous in the 12th as he was in the 3rd. I see what you are saying, and I just wanted to make sure you know why I said what I said.