Frank Warren-Underground Boxing

seany20 · Post by **seany20** » 14 Apr 2006, 17:15

I read with interest the article from Frank Warrens "Solicitor" or what ever he is... Does this mean that we can no longer comment on Warren himself.

Frank as you well know, boxing is a big bad world which also has its good. But by trying to prevent us as fans from making comments about you is a bit extreme. Lets face it Frank, isn't it a fact that you began your journey as a promoter in underground boxing? i.e. (oh isn't that illegal), but no-one tried to sue you then Frank.

I admire you for what you have done for British and Irish boxing but i think you have to take it if you can give it. Its a big bad world out there.

P.S. To the moderater, i hope you will allow this to be posted as we as fans should be allowed to give our views. I look forward to your reply Frank.

Jon

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 07:39

yep, there's something about warren in that trashy lenny mclean book. apparently micky duff used to promote that other guy, what was his name?

all you have to do these days is have a fight with a traveller over a piece of candyfloss, or be a doorman, to bring out one of those tiresome tabloidy 'i'm hard as f_uck' books

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV · Post by **Tarquin Tarpaulin IV** » 15 Apr 2006, 08:24

Whoever said that 'Underground Boxing' was illegal?

Just because the bouts didn't take place under BBB of C regulations doesn't make them illegal!?

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 15 Apr 2006, 14:26

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Whoever said that 'Underground Boxing' was illegal?

Just because the bouts didn't take place under BBB of C regulations doesn't make them illegal!?

Thats right, they are not illegal. I fought on a few myself in the late 80's early 90's.

They were handy if you needed a few quid in a hurry. My mate Vince Burns fought on some too, as did KO Artist in the mid 90's.

Jabba The Nut · Post by **Jabba The Nut** » 15 Apr 2006, 14:44

viciousmaussa wrote:yep, there's something about warren in that trashy lenny mclean book. apparently micky duff used to promote that other guy, what was his name?

all you have to do these days is have a fight with a traveller over a piece of candyfloss, or be a doorman, to bring out one of those tiresome tabloidy 'i'm hard as f_uck' books

Why is the Lenny Mclean book trashy? I read the book recently and found it a fascinating read. As for Mclean, I have a lot of respect for him (RIP).
Not only did he tell it like it was, blood 'n' all, he came across as a very sensitive an caring guy.

Respect Lenny

E · Post by E » 15 Apr 2006, 15:02

Graham Brett wrote:
Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Whoever said that 'Underground Boxing' was illegal?

Just because the bouts didn't take place under BBB of C regulations doesn't make them illegal!?
Thats right, they are not illegal. I fought on a few myself in the late 80's early 90's.

They were handy if you needed a few quid in a hurry. My mate Vince Burns fought on some too, as did KO Artist in the mid 90's.

How did you get on? Who did you fight?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:19

Jabba The Nut wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:yep, there's something about warren in that trashy lenny mclean book. apparently micky duff used to promote that other guy, what was his name?

all you have to do these days is have a fight with a traveller over a piece of candyfloss, or be a doorman, to bring out one of those tiresome tabloidy 'i'm hard as f_uck' books

Why is the Lenny Mclean book trashy? I read the book recently and found it a fascinating read. As for Mclean, I have a lot of respect for him (RIP).
Not only did he tell it like it was, blood 'n' all, he came across as a very sensitive an caring guy.

Respect Lenny

roy shaw reckoned a lot of stuff was glossed over. a number of fights that mclean apparently lost. as for the writing style it was trashy, and seemed to almost play to the lenny caricature that would be seen in Lock Stock, one of the worst shit-awful films ever...

'I banged their heads together like a pair of coconuts', stuff like that sounds a bit cheesy to me. and the book does stop a bit too often to tell us how great the man was

i have to say it's far less fun than reading a good micky spillane, Mike Hammer book, if you're into casual brutality!

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:22

viciousmaussa wrote: would be seen in Lock Stock, one of the worst shit-awful films ever...

One of the best British films in the past 20 years. And I can guarantee im in the majoirty in thinking this.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:41

Nemesis wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote: would be seen in Lock Stock, one of the worst shit-awful films ever...
One of the best British films in the past 20 years. And I can guarantee im in the majoirty in thinking this.

Yeh great film but Snatch was better ;)

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:43

Nemesis wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote: would be seen in Lock Stock, one of the worst shit-awful films ever...
One of the best British films in the past 20 years. And I can guarantee im in the majoirty in thinking this.

f_ucking bollocks, it's pathetic, immature post modern gangster cool.

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:44

viciousmaussa: Stop swearing, it only shows how immature you are.

lvlarc: Snatch was better.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 15:55

lock stock is a travesty. the damn thing can't stop reminding you that you're watching a film, by throwing together the biggest collection of crime movie cliches imaginable, and adding some of the most ridiculously forced, posy performances you'll come across. 'listen to my cackney'. i have to say the bits with vinnie jones were the worst. 'look at me, i'm hard' huff and puff, blah blah

one of the worst scraps of nonsense that's ever come out of the '90s trend of irony in cinema

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 16:06

never seen so much misguided scenery chewing and posing from all involved - from the actors to the film technicians (overuse of freeze frames, voice overs) themselves with their overdone, self consciously hip approach to film style. i would venture to say that most were either so far up their own backsides - or else having one big masturbation.

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » 15 Apr 2006, 16:09

viciousmaussa wrote:never seen so much misguided scenery chewing and posing from all involved - from the actors to the film technicians (overuse of freeze frames, voice overs) themselves with their overdone, self consciously hip approach to film style. i would venture to say that most were either so far up their own backsides - or else having one big masturbation.

LOL!!!

C-H-I-L-L O-U-T

seany20 · Post by **seany20** » 15 Apr 2006, 16:16

Yeh Vicious chillout, the question is directed towards allegedly and peoples opinions not whether Lock, Stock.... or Snatch were realistic or not!

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 15 Apr 2006, 16:20

E wrote:
Graham Brett wrote:
Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Whoever said that 'Underground Boxing' was illegal?

Just because the bouts didn't take place under BBB of C regulations doesn't make them illegal!?
Thats right, they are not illegal. I fought on a few myself in the late 80's early 90's.

They were handy if you needed a few quid in a hurry. My mate Vince Burns fought on some too, as did KO Artist in the mid 90's.
How did you get on? Who did you fight?

Mainly on bills in West London or North West London. I didnt fight anyone of note and I had 9 bouts and won 7. They were mostly brawler types out of pubs or gyms, you know hard men. They couldnt box. At the time I weighed about 9st 11lbs but im 6'1.

At the time id been out of the game about 3 years and was gonna make a comeback with Frrank Warren. But I was such a bad liver I was always on the piss, just a waster. In the end I never fought again for Frank who was a right nice bloke. I regret that, cause he had fait in me.

I fought a couple of ex fighters on the unlicencsed shows, but its not my business to name them.

KO me and Vince Burns were all from Pimlico. I think one of the shows was held at Pimlico school of all places. I know they dont mind me naming them as they have disscused it with Steve Bunce for an article years ago

Anyway it was handy for a few quid especially when you couldnt be bothered to train for regular fights.

seany20 · Post by **seany20** » 15 Apr 2006, 17:07

Graham did you ever meet Lenny McLean or Roy Shaw on the underground bills? i enjoyed the Roy Shaw v's Ron Stander fight

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 15 Apr 2006, 18:06

seany20 wrote:Graham did you ever meet Lenny McLean or Roy Shaw on the underground bills? i enjoyed the Roy Shaw v's Ron Stander fight

No, a bit before my time really. Im 42, and they are a bit older than me.

I remember meeting McLean when he was a doorman at a bar on Beak Street near the old Lonsdale shop.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Apr 2006, 18:33

seany20 wrote:Yeh Vicious chillout, the question is directed towards allegedly allegedly and peoples opinions not whether Lock, Stock.... or Snatch were realistic or not!

i'm not much of a 'realism' person myself. of course the term is flexible. moslty seems to give off signals of 'kitchen sink' that british films are known for (apart from the 90s glut of romantic comedies and ...sigh... cheeky cockney gangsters). psychological realism or emotional realism - films that dig deep into the mental states of its characters (i.e. 'inner reality') - are more interesting, stuff like Fight Club or even Eternal Sunshine is where cinema should be heading. i.e. in the same direction as the so-called modern novel did a few decades ago. that's much daring and bold than a bunch of cardboard cutout hoods and caricature wideboys talking in convoluted rhyming slang & acting like a bunch of twits

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » 15 Apr 2006, 18:45

viciousmaussa wrote:
seany20 wrote:Yeh Vicious chillout, the question is directed towards allegedly allegedly allegedly and peoples opinions not whether Lock, Stock.... or Snatch were realistic or not!
i'm not much of a 'realism' person myself. of course the term is flexible. moslty seems to give off signals of 'kitchen sink' that british films are known for (apart from the 90s glut of romantic comedies and ...sigh... cheeky cockney gangsters). psychological realism or emotional realism - films that dig deep into the mental states of its characters (i.e. 'inner reality') - are more interesting, stuff like Fight Club or even Eternal Sunshine is where cinema should be heading. i.e. in the same direction as the so-called modern novel did a few decades ago. that's much daring and bold than a bunch of cardboard cutout hoods and caricature wideboys talking in convoluted rhyming slang & acting like a bunch of twits

I agree that Fightclub is a great film, but equally, Lock stock is a great film. Everyone knows lock stock is a bit 'mockney' but that is the whole point, its kinda tounge in cheek.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 16 Apr 2006, 05:56

Lenny was atop bloke but could be a real nasty fornicator if you upset him...Much like anyone I suppose.

Unlicensed fights etc are not as scary as they are made out to be.

HH

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 16 Apr 2006, 06:24

Jabba The Nut wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:yep, there's something about warren in that trashy lenny mclean book. apparently micky duff used to promote that other guy, what was his name?

all you have to do these days is have a fight with a traveller over a piece of candyfloss, or be a doorman, to bring out one of those tiresome tabloidy 'i'm hard as f_uck' books

Why is the Lenny Mclean book trashy? I read the book recently and found it a fascinating read. As for Mclean, I have a lot of respect for him (RIP).
Not only did he tell it like it was, blood 'n' all, he came across as a very sensitive an caring guy.

Respect Lenny

have you ever heard frank talk about lenny? he basically revels the truth about him.he was a bully and an average street fighter who lost at least half of his 12 fights in the unlicensed ring.

i've even read an article where someone was interviewing warren,and frank says they also had a scuffle at some time.he is franks cousin by all accounts.

so many people have been duped by his 3,000 fights,unbeaten rubbish it's quite funny.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 16 Apr 2006, 06:37

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.j ... mott03.xml

http://www.sundayherald.com/52989

I had to laugh at the 'donkey derby' comment!!!!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 16 Apr 2006, 08:14

Jabba The Nut wrote:Why is the Lenny Mclean book trashy? I read the book recently and found it a fascinating read. As for Mclean, I have a lot of respect for him (RIP).

Not only did he tell it like it was, blood 'n' all, he came across as a very sensitive an caring guy.

Respect Lenny

But with respect to the late Lenny he DIDN'T tell it like it was in his book though.

He made no mention of his two KO loses to ex-pro Cliff Fields and by all accounts Lenny was out cold both times. He also made no mention of his points lose to ex-pro Kevin Paddock or his KO lose to the then amateur Light-Heavyweight Johnny Waldron, a fight I wqs told was fixed in Lenny favoure but Johnny 'forgot' to follow the script and KO'd big Lenny which nearly caused a riot.

Waldron may have beaten him twice, but don't quote me on that.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 16 Apr 2006, 08:17

mercman wrote:I liked the film too. Very entertaining. I know what Viciousmaussa means about Lenny McClean's book though. It makes him out to be damn near invincible but in reality quite a few beat him in the ring - including ex pros Ishaq Hussein and Cliff Fields (twice) among others.

I didn't know McClean had fought Ishaq Hussein any more details?

I think I read that Ishaq Hussein outponted Cliff Fields on a unlicensed bill though. I seem to recall reading that Fields said he was that drunk during the fight he can't remember much about it.

Or maybe that was another fight?